Is Honesty gone? Are we just a kiss and coddle forum now?

[Ernicus]

I will also say that telling me "why" something is bad and offering up advice on "how" to fix it or prevent it, is what I am really after. How it is presented is not important as long as it is presented.

Simply comment with "dude, your chit is terrible" will most likely just get ignored as it is not valuable to my improvement. "dude your chit is terrible, because....., and you can avoid it by...." is what I am after.

 

[shefjr]

careful what you ask for...you might find the gloves were padding the brass knuckles. :mrgreen:

Why are you being mean to me! :runs away crying:
LOL!
Bring it!

 

[Ernicus]

I also think that the problem is the noobs that come here thinking they are hot chit because Facebook loves them, they got some paying gigs to which they produced crap, and they then come here to validate their existence and show us their wares. We laugh and gawk and tell them why it sucks, they get butthurt and leave, giving the bird on their way out.

That is not "our" fault as a community that they are uncomfortable having a mirror held up, of which brings reality back to their lives.

Yes, sometimes we can be nicer, but whats the point really. Those sorts of people would act the same if you politely said the same thing. Ruining their reality sets them off no matter how you put it.

I recall once a chick blew up simply because i used the word "terrible". I was nice otherwise, gave great information, but because I used the word "terrible" I was called rude and she got butthurt. Those people are tools and should not be coddled.

 

[cgipson1]

Read two pages then skimmed. lol.

Just wanted to say, if my chit stinks...tear it up, crumple it up, and throw the soggy wet mess in my face. I don't care.

I don't need sugar coating, I already know what is good in my photos, I need to know the bad so I can improve. Telling me the good does not make the bad easier, it makes me think your a hippie.

I like this sort of critique so that I can feel good about my work the day my post gets accolades. Then I will know I have genuinely done a good job.

What do you have against hippies? You aren't a damn redneck, are you?

 

[cgipson1]

I will also say that telling me "why" something is bad and offering up advice on "how" to fix it or prevent it, is what I am really after. How it is presented is not important as long as it is presented.

Simply comment with "dude, your chit is terrible" will most likely just get ignored as it is not valuable to my improvement. "dude your chit is terrible, because....., and you can avoid it by...." is what I am after.

Hmmm... how much money you got! I will critique you really good!

It is not people like you that the thread was aimed at... (but don't let that go to your head, either!) lol!

 

[SCraig]

Read two pages then skimmed. lol.

Just wanted to say, if my chit stinks...tear it up, crumple it up, and throw the soggy wet mess in my face. I don't care.

I don't need sugar coating, I already know what is good in my photos, I need to know the bad so I can improve. Telling me the good does not make the bad easier, it makes me think your a hippie.

I like this sort of critique so that I can feel good about my work the day my post gets accolades. Then I will know I have genuinely done a good job.

Man, your comments SUCK and here's why: It's "think you're a hippie" and not "think your a hippie".

Wow, that DID work well!

 

[kundalini]

You know.. it had gotten to where I just ignore certain types of photographers... even though they need the most help!

I ignore them, because I am afraid I will be banned if I am honest.. even if I not rude about it!

Does anyone else feel this way?

If we see really BAD photography.. how ARE we supposed to address that? If we are anywhere near honest... somebody is probably going to get upset?

Are we a teaching forum.. or a kiss and coddle forum?

How do we address somebody else telling a really BAD photographer how great their shots are.. when they AREN'T?

Just curious!!!!

I'm not going to bother reading through three pages of drivel. This is a BS thread and you know it. Nobody is going to get banned for giving C&C, not even the "rude" people giving it.

The only hold-back I have is disagreeing with Kerbouchard. George will report you in a heartbeat.

 

[cgipson1]

Read two pages then skimmed. lol.

Just wanted to say, if my chit stinks...tear it up, crumple it up, and throw the soggy wet mess in my face. I don't care.

I don't need sugar coating, I already know what is good in my photos, I need to know the bad so I can improve. Telling me the good does not make the bad easier, it makes me think your a hippie.

I like this sort of critique so that I can feel good about my work the day my post gets accolades. Then I will know I have genuinely done a good job.

Man, your comments SUCK and here's why: It's "think you're a hippie" and not "think your a hippie".

Wow, that DID work well!

I agree.. the damn redneck needs to learn to spell to be able to communicate effectively!

 

[cgipson1]

You know.. it had gotten to where I just ignore certain types of photographers... even though they need the most help!

I ignore them, because I am afraid I will be banned if I am honest.. even if I not rude about it!

Does anyone else feel this way?

If we see really BAD photography.. how ARE we supposed to address that? If we are anywhere near honest... somebody is probably going to get upset?

Are we a teaching forum.. or a kiss and coddle forum?

How do we address somebody else telling a really BAD photographer how great their shots are.. when they AREN'T?

Just curious!!!!

I'm not going to bother reading through three pages of drivel. This is a BS thread and you know it. Nobody is going to get banned for giving C&C, not even the "rude" people giving it.

The only hold-back I have is disagreeing with Kerbouchard. George will report you in a heartbeat.

Been there, done that.. got the medal! I think it was the word "*****" in my avatar sig.. or something!

 

[sm4him]

I don't need sugar coating,....

I like this sort of critique so that I can feel good about my work the day my post gets accolades. Then I will know I have genuinely done a good job.

^THIS happened to me today, and man, did it ever feel good!

 

[Ernicus]

Read two pages then skimmed. lol.

Just wanted to say, if my chit stinks...tear it up, crumple it up, and throw the soggy wet mess in my face. I don't care.

I don't need sugar coating, I already know what is good in my photos, I need to know the bad so I can improve. Telling me the good does not make the bad easier, it makes me think your a hippie.

I like this sort of critique so that I can feel good about my work the day my post gets accolades. Then I will know I have genuinely done a good job.

Man, your comments SUCK and here's why: It's "think you're a hippie" and not "think your a hippie".

Wow, that DID work well!

Touche good sir, touche

 

[jaguaraz]

Hello all. I'm an "old noob" if you can believe the oxymoron. I joined in 2010 but only made my first photo for CC a few days ago. I wanted to understand what makes good photos by learning from the criticism given to others. I also have made mental note of the very expert (and sometimes cranky) comments given by some of the more prolific artists on this site. Reading CC every day on pictures is like a textbook that is being written as I read and that makes it very special. I try to anticipate what my favorite posters will say. Please please stay honest about feedback. Even though I feel like a taker because I have lurked so long, I totally enjoy comparing my own opinions to those of you with so much more experience. Sometimes honesty sounds mean but it isn't; it is just..... honest. AFter taking classes, reading books, and visiting this site nearly every day, I will be posting more and I crave good advice; good honest advice without sugar coating or false compliments. Thanks to the number of you who have contributed to this thread whose opinions I already respect! Keep it up.

 

[cgipson1]

Hello all. I'm an "old noob" if you can believe the oxymoron. I joined in 2010 but only made my first photo for CC a few days ago. I wanted to understand what makes good photos by learning from the criticism given to others. I also have made mental note of the very expert (and sometimes cranky) comments given by some of the more prolific artists on this site. Reading CC every day on pictures is like a textbook that is being written as I read and that makes it very special. I try to anticipate what my favorite posters will say. Please please stay honest about feedback. Even though I feel like a taker because I have lurked so long, I totally enjoy comparing my own opinions to those of you with so much more experience. Sometimes honesty sounds mean but it isn't; it is just..... honest. AFter taking classes, reading books, and visiting this site nearly every day, I will be posting more and I crave good advice; good honest advice without sugar coating or false compliments. Thanks to the number of you who have contributed to this thread whose opinions I already respect! Keep it up.

Welcome! Now that you have warned us... go for it!

 

[nineoneeighttony]

There is a difference between helping people understand how to improve and making someone feel incompetent. You don't have to "kiss and cuddle". But if you show someone respect when offering advise then you will get your point across without pushing people away from the forum.

 

[nmoody]

Yes.. but not everyone welcomes that! lol! As mentioned.. many post here expecting what they got from family and facebook ... compliments about how talented they are.

I understand that which is why I voiced my opinion. If they want to be told their pile of crap is all rainbows and unicorns they should check out forums that cater to MWAC.

It's not helping me everyone lies to me or just doesn't comment all. Most o my threads requesting feedback end up with very few responses and I can only assume its because something is wrong and they are too scared to tell me what is. Sadly this doesn't help me.