Is this site for people to get valid feedback or for others to get on their high hors

[indioli]

As I said in my initial post the feedback part isn't an issue. It's people being judgemental on a personal level. But hey ho... Example is being told that if you don't have a lot of money then you shouldn't take up photography. That is, in my opinion, not contructive feedback.

If you feel so strongly that this thread is a waste of time then don't waste your times responding to it....?

Hors d'oeuvre?
Oui.... There wasn't enough space for me to add the e....

Gonna be fun reading!

 

[kundalini]

Example is being told that if you don't have a lot of money then you shouldn't take up photography. That is, in my opinion, not contructive feedback.

I believe that thread was essentially about pirating a copy of CS5. Stating that the hobby of photography is expensive IS fact. It IS constructive to let people know that to get results they dream of is costly.

 

[e.rose]

How about...

If you don't have a lot of money, then learn how to save and learn how to work with the sh*t you got** until you have enough money to upgrade, or don't pick up photography.

I'm poor as sh*t. I agree with Kundalini's statement above. I save. I use what I have. Then I save some more.






**Poor grammar intentional for emphasis.

 

[lyonsroar]

I like your avatar.

 

[Railphotog]

Boy, does this take me back to my early days in camera clubs! We'd bring slides for members to critique, and I still recall how some who were so proud of their ordinary snapshots got all uptight when they were told the truth. Guess the snaps impressed their friends and family, but not a bunch of photographers! These were the type of members who never stayed around very long.

 

[elifant]

If I've been here a week, and am not butt hurt, does that mean I have promise as a photographer?

 

[lyonsroar]

These were the type of members who never stayed around very long.

They still are...

 

[lyonsroar]

Is this site for people to get valid feedback or for others to get on their high hors

Do you mean like Hors d'oeuvre?

Whose been rude to you? C'mon.... cough up a name or two.

Na...he means "high whores"
just a spelling error...give him a break...you big meanie

 

[MWC2]

Boy, does this take me back to my early days in camera clubs! We'd bring slides for members to critique, and I still recall how some who were so proud of their ordinary snapshots got all uptight when they were told the truth. Guess the snaps impressed their friends and family, but not a bunch of photographers! These were the type of members who never stayed around very long.

I joined a local camera club just to get honest feedback, if it wasn't for local photographers at the monthly meetings and people on photography forums pointing out what I need to work on, I still would be taking out of focus snap shots of my children shot using the auto setting on my camera. I don't need hand holding and praise (I have a wonderful supportive husband and family for that) I need someone with no emotional ties to the subjects in my photos telling me "hey what if you tried x,y or z"

 

[brandibell]

If you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen. What you may think is rude is just others being blunt and honest. Not everyone is going to love your work or sugar coat their criticism. The only way for one to improve is to know what they are doing wrong. Also online you are going to come across all kinds of people, if you think someone is rude like others stated ignore them. But if you listen to what others are saying about your work and respond with a positive attitude and open mind instead of whining about 'people being rude' you will learn a lot as there are many very talented and knowledgeable photographers in this forum.

 

[indioli]

I give up. You don't get what I'm saying do you?
I LOVE feedback. It doesn't bother me. I come from working in a harsh business environment until I had children and moved to France.
Negative feedback isn't negative, as long as you learn from it. Even things I disagree with I like to hear because it's an opinion.

My point was people don't need to be nasty/b***y on a personal level. Especially to young people on here (not myself). They are on here trying to learn/develop/improve themselves and their photography skills.

And to get good results doesn't always cost a fortune. There are plenty of photographers who have made amazing images without spending loads. Although obviously it helps.

Most of the people on here aren't claiming to be professionals.

 

[brandibell]

I give up. You don't get what I'm saying do you?
I LOVE feedback. It doesn't bother me. I come from working in a harsh business environment until I had children and moved to France.
Negative feedback isn't negative, as long as you learn from it. Even things I disagree with I like to hear because it's an opinion.

My point was people don't need to be nasty/b***y on a personal level. Especially to young people on here (not myself). They are on here trying to learn/develop/improve themselves and their photography skills.

And to get good results doesn't always cost a fortune. There are plenty of photographers who have made amazing images without spending loads. Although obviously it helps.

Most of the people on here aren't claiming to be professionals.

Have you ever thought maybe you are taking things wrong? When you are reading peoples posts it's hard to tell what tone they are using, and therefore could be completely misinterpreting the post. I have read a few posts where yes the poster was out right rude to the OP usually though it's when they write a stupid statement etc. but I find the majority of the time everyone is very helpful.

 

[Kerbouchard]

Example is being told that if you don't have a lot of money then you shouldn't take up photography. That is, in my opinion, not contructive feedback.

I believe that thread was essentially about pirating a copy of CS5. Stating that the hobby of photography is expensive IS fact. It IS constructive to let people know that to get results they dream of is costly.

While that wasn't a statement of mine, if this rant is about the pirating software thread, then I am one of the more judgemental people on the topic. I didn't say it in the other thread, but I probably should have. I believe people who pirate software are scum. I believe people who advise others on how to pirate software and think there is nothing wrong with it should be banned and/or arrested.

People who think they deserve other people's work for nothing are everything that is wrong with this world. They have bankrupted Greece, just about bankrupted Europe, and want to send the U.S. down the same path.

Freaking scum.

If you find it offensive that I judge somebody on a personal level because of their illegal activities, I would say get over it.

I also judge photos harshly and expect mine to be judged by the same standard. If I wanted somebody to say 'nice photo', I would put it on facebook. I would hope that people come on this forum to get better. I am sure that I am on several people's ignore list. That doesn't bother me.

 

[hayleyfraser24]

Ok, I wasnt going to post but I feel after reading all that now I feel I have to say my piece. Im very new, ive been photographing since April and I too have had a few comments made about my camera equipment not being that great.. I have a sony dslr. I personaly love my camera and its all I can afford! I think in the long run you will learn alot from working within your means, I believe you may even learn better as you will have to work a bit harder to achieve the results you want! So I have never taken a comment like that personally. All comments I have recieved, the good, bad and ugly have been constructive and helped me, I have witnessed some comments on other threads though for example "is that all youve got" and I thought... oooh thats a bit mean! And only because they made that comment and then didnt say why the photo was bad or what could have been better. So I do know what you mean indoili, and I think most people will take the good with the bad and ignore anything that has not been constructive, but I think its important to remember that this is not a photography school and no-one has to sugar coat their comments. It is other peoples opinions so there will always be diversity... and as said in a previous post "its the internet" Also sometimes things can be "read the wrong way" if that makes sense, I have done that before where I assumed a response was angry when in fact it was just direct and to the point. your post caused a bit of a debate but I do know where you are coming from As a newbee though I have learned alot from the "good guys" on this forum and have grown some thick skin too!

 

[joealcantar]

"A week without constructive criticism makes one weak".
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Shoot well, Joe