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Is VR/IS a fad?

The only time I find VR useful is if I'm taking a shot with a 1/2 to 1 second shutter speed and don't have a tripod handy. I've taken a few successful 1 second shots handheld with VR lenses but other than that, I don't generally bother looking for it on lenses.
 
Yes, I shoot Nikon, and have absolutely NEVER used a lens with VR on it. In fact, I've never clicked my shutter button either. I just buy cameras for book ends.
 
My three zooms consist of two single aperture lenses at f/2.8 and a 17-40 at f/4. I have IS on the 70-200 f/2.8L IS.

Whoever wrote the article is a hobbyist with an opinion and it appears that he's considering himself elite and calling himself an artist. The writer comes off particularly as a prime snob. That's the people that like to brag that they only shoot with prime lenses and they have no need of a zoom. His tone while talking about zooms through the entire article sounds like Derrel talking about Nikon, photographers that aren't him, and everything. He doesn't recognize that although zooms don't generally compare to prime lenses in quality, that there are high quality zooms out there and that some photographers need the funtion of zooms over primes.

Professional photographers need a good zoom lens. Artists do not. The best lens in terms of resolution, contrast and image quality is a single focal length prime lens. A zoom cannot compare because it is, by its very nature, a compromise. A zoom represents a futile effort to be all things to all people at all times

Article written in 2008. FF cameras are more available and Nikon even has a couple of them.

Remember that Nikon DSLRs have a 1.5 crop factor due to the size of the image sensor.

Is JPG the magazine with all content made up from submissions from readers? If so, having a hobbyist post an article on the usefulness of VR/IS is about about nil unless they own and have shot with f/2.8 zooms. He never once mentions long pro zoom lenses and other "pro" grade lenses with VR. All he really talking about is zooms with smaller max apertures and variable aperture zooms.

Compared a 70-200 f/2.8 VR or IS II against the 70-300 or whatever variable aperture zoom with VR he's talking about and you'll see a difference in quality.
 
Yes, I shoot Nikon, and have absolutely NEVER used a lens with VR on it. In fact, I've never clicked my shutter button either. I just buy cameras for book ends.

I thought people bought them for driving nails.
 
Third, VR lenses offer no advantage in terms of speed over a prime lens. Do the math. Most of the VR lenses marketed for Nikon cameras have variable maximum aperatures of f/4 to 5.6. If the VR technology gives two stops of additional hand-holdability, then the VR zoom now has an equivalent of f/2 to 2.8. Every prime lens in my bag has a maximum aperature of f/2.8 or better.

It's a valuable feature, and a significant advance in lens design. The author quoted mentioning maximum lens aperture values of f/2.8 as some sort of evidence against the need for VR seems to miss the obvious point staring him right in the face,and that is that VR is useful with lenses with slow maximum apertures, because those lenses force the user into slow shutter speed territory a lot of the time. With say the 70-300 f/4.5~5.6, the lens is ALWAYS a slow lens, and so VR is useful for the times when the user wants to stop down to f/8 or f/11 for deep depth of field in dimmer light, and still shoot hand-held. For scenic and walkabout uses, VR is very helpful,and the more-modern systems can allow the user to shoot as slow as four full stops slower than they would be able to shoot at with a non-VR lens. FOUR full speeds slower is to me, a very valuable benefit.

Derrel hit it on the head. To take it a bit further though, the author says that the VR would make something like the 70-300 equivalent to the same lens with a 2-2.8 aperture and implies 'why not just make the lens with this large of an aperture rather than going with the VR fad'. A 70-300 with a 2.0-2.8 aperture would be HUGE. Almost impractical to use as a walkaround like the 70-300 VR is. Every lens in his bag has that large of an aperture because it is fixed focal length, and having that large of an aperture on the focal lengths in his bag allowed for a small, practical, inexpensive enough lens. I wonder why Canon doesn't make the 800mm in a 2.8 rather than a 5.6 with IS??
 
His tone while talking about zooms through the entire article sounds like Derrel talking about Nikon, photographers that aren't him, and everything. He doesn't recognize that although zooms don't generally compare to prime lenses in quality, that there are high quality zooms out there and that some photographers need the funtion of zooms over primes.


Your personal hard-on for me is showing through, VillageIdiot. I do not appreciate you bringing my name up in such a negative manner, just out of the blue. What exactly *is* your problem with me V-I? Is it because back in 2009 and 2010, I suggested Speedotron pack and head flash systems to you, for months, and you swore you'd NEVER have the same equipment as I do? And now you find yourself using the same exact type and brand of Speedotron equipment I suggested you buy? I find the irony in that situation rich. Village Idiot, I'll ask you right here and now to behave better and more-politely toward me from here on out. Okay?

I have been shooting photos with 35mm type cameras since 1974...I believe that VR is a HUGE advancement in lens design. It is in fact, as big of an advancement as lens multi-coating. A VR or IS or OS lens works in situations where a tripod will NOT stabilize the camera...it is an almost magical solution to many common problems, like shooting when out of breath, when shooting while slowly walking backwards at a press conference or other social event, when shooting one-handed, and when shooting in gusty,windy conditions, and when fishing from both small sport boats and larger charter type boats. VR is perhaps the single BIGGEST improvement in PANNING that has ever been invented--better than a tripod, by far. Of course, the guy who wrote the original article was probably yet another 20-something guy who knows very little about what things used to be like, or who gas no grasp of the types of photography where a stabilized lens is very helpful, such as when doing slow-speed, stopped-down work on landscape and travel types of scenes, where a tripod is simply a giant PITA to transport, or is not even allowed by law without a permit. People who do not understand how to use VR are quite numerous. Just as there are many people who say things like "flash photos suck." And, "I only shoot in natural light." We know what those things mean; namely, an inability to utilize the technology, due to limited vision, lack of experience, or just plain ignorance of what the possibilities actually ARE!

The thing about VR and IS is this: there are real,significant differences in the various implementations of the fundamental technologies, plural. Some systems have multiple settings that are user-switchable, while others have auto-detect systems. Some systems DO work on tripods, while others do NOT work on tripods. Some lenses can auto-detect deliberate panning of the camera, while some of the earlier Canon IS lenses had to be manually switched to do panning. The earlier Nikon systems were horrible on tripods with the head locked down, but the newer VR-II is supposed to work better. Nikon's NORMAL and ACTIVE VR modes are different. A critical fact to remember is that stabilization is not a 100 percent GUARANTEE; the key in difficult situations is to shoot MULTIPLE FRAMES, using one, single shutter release press, with the camera on Continuous firing mode. At the very worst speeds, like 1/3 to 1/6 second, perhaps only 1 out of five or six frames might be acceptably be sharp; however, at 1/15 second, the rate of success can easily be twice that good, or better. "It all depends. On everything."
 
His tone while talking about zooms through the entire article sounds like Derrel talking about Nikon, photographers that aren't him, and everything. He doesn't recognize that although zooms don't generally compare to prime lenses in quality, that there are high quality zooms out there and that some photographers need the funtion of zooms over primes.


Your personal hard-on for me is showing through, VillageIdiot. I do not appreciate you bringing my name up in such a negative manner, just out of the blue. What exactly *is* your problem with me V-I? Is it because back in 2009 and 2010, I suggested Speedotron pack and head flash systems to you, for months, and you swore you'd NEVER have the same equipment as I do? And now you find yourself using the same exact type and brand of Speedotron equipment I suggested you buy? I find the irony in that situation rich. Village Idiot, I'll ask you right here and now to behave better and more-politely toward me from here on out. Okay?

That's rich. You're asking some one to be nice to you when you treat everyone else like ****? Thanks for the laugh, I was about half asleep here doing some mindless task at work.

You do know that respect is earned and not bought right?
 
I have 554 "Liked" posts, and have been here since 2009.

You have been here since 2008, and have 127 "liked" posts.

If you want to act aggressively toward me, do it in PM's okay? I try and help people here. I give my honest opinions. I am not a "newbie". I have decided preferences and experiences that form my opinions. I'm sorry if your last four or five years in the photo hobby have made you such an expert, but I was simply asking you to treat me more-politely, and you fired back, half-cocked and angry, like a young man of your age group tends to do. Seriously V-I, can you try an mellow out with respect to me? You have been attacking ME, ad hominem, for the last several months. When you have nothing to add to the discussion, you start attacking ME, the man: that is an ad hominem attack.

Once again, I am asking you to treat me more politely, and to behave better on this forum. I've resolved to do that--to act more-politely and better on this forum. Now, can you man up, and try and do the same? Can you?
 

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