I've been reminded why I ditched Windows

[Plato]

What about Xerox Alto ?

Know absolutely nothing about it.

 

[Dao]

What about Xerox Alto ?

Know absolutely nothing about it.

hahahaha .. come on!!

 

[Plato]

What about Xerox Alto ?

Know absolutely nothing about it.

hahahaha .. come on!!

Actually, I was kinda hoping that I wouldn't be forced to wrack my brain regarding details. In any event, it did have a GUI and it preceded the Mac. However, the GUI did not have true windows. I also do not remember that it was ever available commercially.

If you really want to get sticky, the Lisa preceded the Mac but it was so expensive as to be damned near a joke. I think that Apple sold perhaps three units. The Mac was essentially a low-priced Lisa but it may be that the Lisa was the platform on which Gates based the OS. I can't remember with any degree of certainty.

 

[cfusionpm]

I've never seen this elitist attitude of iPod users. I don't know how an iPod has anything to do with the Mac vs. PC debates as the iPod is merely a media playback device. Most of the iPod owners I know use them with Windows anyway.

If you only knew how much ridicule I get for owning a Zune... :meh:

 

[inTempus]

I've never seen this elitist attitude of iPod users. I don't know how an iPod has anything to do with the Mac vs. PC debates as the iPod is merely a media playback device. Most of the iPod owners I know use them with Windows anyway.

If you only knew how much ridicule I get for owning a Zune... :meh:

So you're the guy, I was wondering who bought it.

 

[cfusionpm]

In the past 3 years of owning it, I've met 2 of the other 9 Zune owners. :hug::

 

[SpeedTrap]

I am not bashing Mac, I have infact owned one, and yes I liked it, but at the time the software support was just not at the level I need for the time. It is better now, but I do not want to re-purchase all of my software.

 

[Plato]

...but I do not want to re-purchase all of my software.

That's the real problem. It's kinda like switching between Canon and Nikon.

My younger son is the only person that I know that made the switch with zero pain. He had been using a 12-year old Mac that I gave him some five years ago. It was beginning to show its age and he wanted a bit more speed. HOWEVER, he uses his home machine ONLY for web browsing, email and one single Excel spread sheet (his finances). He bought a $400 Windoze laptop with one of the several cheapo apps that opens Excel. His only other expense was whatever he paid for virus protection.

 

[cfusionpm]

His only other expense was whatever he paid for virus protection.

Who pays for that when Avast! is free?

 

[inTempus]

His only other expense was whatever he paid for virus protection.

Who pays for that when Avast! is free?

Why use 3rd party?

http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/

I use Security Essentials on my Windows 7 machine.

 

[itznfb]

They can't work together because of the mindset of the typical Mac user. I'm not accusing anyone here of this but it's true. Within the past 10 years the professional Starbucks websurfers have started a faddish elitist movement in which they truly believe they become a member of the socialite elites just because they became a SJobs lemming.

That's a bit over the top. Some of the most heated vitriol come from Windows users and it's directed towards Mac users. They're both capable of being a bit crazy at times but neither has the corner on the market.

Because you are such a strong proponent of Windows, does that make you an elitist Windows snob who is a Gates lemming?

I remember not too long ago we never saw this tension between mac and PC users. Most people used both at some point throughout their day.

I don't know what region of the world you're talking about, but the Mac vs. PC debates have raged since I can remember. If anything, they're less caustic today than they were 10 years ago as more people have shifted towards OSX from PC, and like me have been known to use both (I'm typing this from my W7 machine, again).

It was something about the iPod that ruined that harmony though. For some reason these people honestly believe they are elite because they own an apple product and instantly grow this elitist disgust for anyone that doesn't conform.

I've never seen this elitist attitude of iPod users. I don't know how an iPod has anything to do with the Mac vs. PC debates as the iPod is merely a media playback device. Most of the iPod owners I know use them with Windows anyway.

The iPod gave Apple a segue back into the computer business to degree... in that their popularity revitalized a struggling company. The final move that propelled Apple back into the running in terms of PC sales was the introduction of Intel chips. That's what brought me over... that and how badly Vista sucked. If they were still using Power PC chips, I would have been running XP until W7 released.

I figured if the Mac sucked under OSX I could at least boot it in Windows and still get some use out of it. I quickly found that I liked OSX much better than Windows... although W7 is growing on me.

I think you missed quite a bit of my point. First, there was never any hatred like there has been since around the time of the ipod. You can compare it to Nikon vs Canon. Yes there are Nikon vs Canon debates and they get heated but in general those groups do not hate each other. A 'typical' apple lemming literally with everything in their soul hates Microsoft users. To the point that they will stop being friends with someone just because they use Microsoft. A typical Mac user you meet at Starbucks is literally a brainwashed moron. You'll always have the brand banter but the apple lemming somewhere along the line decided that they could quit their jobs and start wearing hemp for a living and they are now higher than the rest of society. If you use a Microsoft device then you must be shunned.

I guess instead of using the ipod as a time frame reference I should just use i. Prior to iwhatever no one cared. It was no more than a intel/amd or nikon/canon debate. Now... saying something bad about a mac is like punching a mac user's mother in the face. It's that insulting to them. And they won't stand for it since they are better than you. Anything coming from Microsoft users is lash back from the ridiculous attacks from the mac side.

It sounds ridiculous but it's true. That is a typical apple user and it's encouraged by apple itself. You can see they dynamic in the commercials. Apple commercials are vigilant against the Microsoft user base. Where Microsoft's commercials just explain a situation where they found a PC worked better for them. (Current ad campaigns)

I'm a proponent of windows because it's the best solution for everyday computing. You can do everything on a PC. You can't do everything on mac. You can't do everything on a linux box. There is a reason why 10 years after the i movement mac still hasn't broken 10% market share. However, I'm a much bigger fan of linux than any other OS. Mint is my preferred OS and as I said before if I could play CSS and run my photo software on it then I wouldn't own a Windows machine.

 

[Plato]

His only other expense was whatever he paid for virus protection.

Who pays for that when Avast! is free?

I said "whatever" because I have no clue what's involved with virus protection. I have no clue what, if anything, he paid. Remember - I've used Windoze machines but I've owned only Macs.

 

[Plato]

They can't work together because of the mindset of the typical Mac user. I'm not accusing anyone here of this but it's true. Within the past 10 years the professional Starbucks websurfers have started a faddish elitist movement in which they truly believe they become a member of the socialite elites just because they became a SJobs lemming.

That's a bit over the top. Some of the most heated vitriol come from Windows users and it's directed towards Mac users. They're both capable of being a bit crazy at times but neither has the corner on the market.

Because you are such a strong proponent of Windows, does that make you an elitist Windows snob who is a Gates lemming?

I don't know what region of the world you're talking about, but the Mac vs. PC debates have raged since I can remember. If anything, they're less caustic today than they were 10 years ago as more people have shifted towards OSX from PC, and like me have been known to use both (I'm typing this from my W7 machine, again).

It was something about the iPod that ruined that harmony though. For some reason these people honestly believe they are elite because they own an apple product and instantly grow this elitist disgust for anyone that doesn't conform.

I've never seen this elitist attitude of iPod users. I don't know how an iPod has anything to do with the Mac vs. PC debates as the iPod is merely a media playback device. Most of the iPod owners I know use them with Windows anyway.

The iPod gave Apple a segue back into the computer business to degree... in that their popularity revitalized a struggling company. The final move that propelled Apple back into the running in terms of PC sales was the introduction of Intel chips. That's what brought me over... that and how badly Vista sucked. If they were still using Power PC chips, I would have been running XP until W7 released.

I figured if the Mac sucked under OSX I could at least boot it in Windows and still get some use out of it. I quickly found that I liked OSX much better than Windows... although W7 is growing on me.

I think you missed quite a bit of my point. First, there was never any hatred like there has been since around the time of the ipod. You can compare it to Nikon vs Canon. Yes there are Nikon vs Canon debates and they get heated but in general those groups do not hate each other. A 'typical' apple lemming literally with everything in their soul hates Microsoft users. To the point that they will stop being friends with someone just because they use Microsoft. A typical Mac user you meet at Starbucks is literally a brainwashed moron. You'll always have the brand banter but the apple lemming somewhere along the line decided that they could quit their jobs and start wearing hemp for a living and they are now higher than the rest of society. If you use a Microsoft device then you must be shunned.

I guess instead of using the ipod as a time frame reference I should just use i. Prior to iwhatever no one cared. It was no more than a intel/amd or nikon/canon debate. Now... saying something bad about a mac is like punching a mac user's mother in the face. It's that insulting to them. And they won't stand for it since they are better than you. Anything coming from Microsoft users is lash back from the ridiculous attacks from the mac side.

It sounds ridiculous but it's true. That is a typical apple user and it's encouraged by apple itself. You can see they dynamic in the commercials. Apple commercials are vigilant against the Microsoft user base. Where Microsoft's commercials just explain a situation where they found a PC worked better for them. (Current ad campaigns)

I'm a proponent of windows because it's the best solution for everyday computing. You can do everything on a PC. You can't do everything on mac. You can't do everything on a linux box. There is a reason why 10 years after the i movement mac still hasn't broken 10% market share. However, I'm a much bigger fan of linux than any other OS. Mint is my preferred OS and as I said before if I could play CSS and run my photo software on it then I wouldn't own a Windows machine.

You're the ridiculous moron here.

 

[LokiZ]

And of 31%, I bet you 90% of those are user error (as my issue was, and I knew I wasn't SUPPOSED to be doing what I was doing when I did it).

Do you also hold a hammer by the wrong end?

No but I know alot of people who use wrenches as a hammer and screwdrivers as pry bars or punches.

 

[c.cloudwalker]

A 'typical' apple lemming literally with everything in their soul hates Microsoft users. To the point that they will stop being friends with someone just because they use Microsoft. A typical Mac user you meet at Starbucks is literally a brainwashed moron.

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:


Thanks for letting me know I'm supposed to hate my friends who use Windows. Is "apple lemming" a love kind of thing? Considering your moronic attitude I thing I should re-write this quote, switching Microsoft and Mac around. You remind me of an idiot on this forum who called me a rich snob because I use Macs :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Now, in view of the fact that I don't patronize Starbucks (yeah, I make my own freaking coffee) where does that put me as a Mac user?

No need to answer really. I don't really care what you think.


Can you all shut up now? My grocery store is running out of popcorn!