Know your rights

Rick Waldroup · Mar 26, 2008

RMThompson said:
Rick as much as I am for the artistic rights of all people, posed shots of nude children is crossing a line. The true test of a society is how well it protects those that cannot protect themselves, and in this case the children are not able to defend themselves, or make a decision if they want photographs of them naked out there for the world to see.

Going back to the argument of rights vs security however, I maintain that taking pictures of an airplane, or kids at a park, should be allowed - just as my right to pick my child up and move them is allowed.

The argument is silly, and people are getting too personal. Everyone needs to back up a bit and take a breath!

Okay RM, that was probably a stupid analogy that I was trying to bring up. While I admire both of those artist's work, it has nothing to do with this topic.

Socrates · Mar 26, 2008

THORHAMMER said:
So,you would threaten someones life because they were taking a few pictures of your granddaughter from a reasonable distance?

No.

THORHAMMER · Mar 26, 2008

Socrates said:
No.

OK then

THORHAMMER · Mar 26, 2008

yeah, were not getting anywhere here.

I think there should be a balance between being polite and concerned, but where do we draw the line? Also there will always be some extremists on each side.

In reality the real pedophiles are usually the ones taking family pictures at xmas get togethers. Not a stranger at the park. Although im sure its happened and im sure that is a fetish for one in a million peds out there, the 99% of the time its someone who knows the victim.

I just dont think giving away our rights one by one is a good thing. the real perverts or terrorists will just be more covert and the real photographers will get assed out.

Los Angeles · Mar 27, 2008

Rick Waldroup said:
Nope. You do it yourself.

If you are this ignorant to basic human freedoms and rights, then I don't have the time, patience, or fortitude to deal with the likes of you.

You figure it out.

Buy a book, go online, do whatever you have to, to educate yourself.

Thats a copout. You have time to ridicule and post your view but not time to explain it.

The truth is, like many times in life, somewhere in the middle lies the answer. Your so far to one side of this argument that your vision is clouded. You believe in individual freedoms beyond anything else.

Los Angeles · Mar 27, 2008

MarcusM said:
Because, if the government can just snoop into every aspect of our lives at will, then where does it end?

So, say maybe last year you were taking a religion course and the assignment was to read the Qu-ran.

Then, this year one weekend you decide to have a "Die Hard" marathon. So you check out Die Hard I, II, and III...(is there a IV??) all from the video store at the same time.

Now, since Die Hard is about terrorists, and you are reading about the Qu-ran, you must be thinking about committing terroristic acts, right? Just put 2 and 2 together. The government now has the right to haul you in for intense questioning.

Now, of course this is a totally hypothetical and ridiculous scenario that I just pulled out of thin air. But crazy things do happen, and these are the kinds of things that the government is trying to monitor. My point is that if we give the government free reign to do whatever they want, all under the facade of "fighting terrorism", then we as a free society lose out big time. This is not what America was built upon and I am amazed that I hear this type of attitude.

I appreaciate your example. And to continue with that so what happens. A goverment official knocks on your door and questions you. OK your just a college kid, and moves on. WHere is the harm in that.

I guess the problem is that many people see the goverment as against them and while I feel that way about this administration I do not feel that way about the goverment as a whole.

Los Angeles · Mar 27, 2008

Oh one other thing.... SOrry it has taken me so long to respond.... I was at the park shooting photos of my kids.... But I did take a photo for all of you.... note the sign on the right....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25076757@N03/2366649018/

abraxas · Mar 27, 2008

Los Angeles said:
Oh one other thing.... SOrry it has taken me so long to respond.... I was at the park shooting photos of my kids.... But I did take a photo for all of you.... note the sign on the right....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25076757@N03/2366649018/

Maybe you could reduce your paranoia and level of security and protection enough to where someone could simply view your photo.

RMThompson · Mar 27, 2008

Los Angeles said:
I appreaciate your example. And to continue with that so what happens. A goverment official knocks on your door and questions you. OK your just a college kid, and moves on. WHere is the harm in that.

I guess the problem is that many people see the goverment as against them and while I feel that way about this administration I do not feel that way about the goverment as a whole.

The problem is with the current definitions, they don't have to knock on your door and question you. They would have the right to tear down your door, keep you in jail without council for MONTHS or YEARS... where you may be subject to various techniques, such as water boarding, in order to gain information.

Now, do i THINK that would actually happen right NOW? No! BUT if we dont start standing up for our rights, it could happen - because we've GIVEN the government the power.