What's new

Living in USA/Canada pros and cons?

This is almost a Nikon vs Canon debate. Both are nice, just list out your interests and look for an area that offers all of the things you want and move there, regardless of which country it is in. But having family in one or the other would make the decision easy for me, family is extremely important to me. Or just move to Buffalo.
 
When you look at the statistics of savings they are pretty diverse. The US being far down the list. ==> Gross National Savings (% of GDP) Data for All Countries
But you then have to understand the type of economies in each country/region and how those numbers are gathered from nationals vs non-nationals (which are normally excluded); What is required for buying a house/car, etc.

The US is driven by Credit, which does not require a large amount of savings to buy things, which goes back to them wanting you to buy things. Credit is cheap in a way because companies want you to use their card to buy everything because most people don't pay it off and end up paying the finance charges, which ends up being a profit center for alot of companies.

For instance, you could get a Walmart credit card, which probably has an interest rate of $18% - ack. or a regular credit card at 8%. But to get better credit rates you need to have a better credit rating.

Credit ratings seem to be a big thing. Oddly, it's based on CREDIT. I paid off my car and it didn't increase my credit rating number ONE point .. NOT one point !!
But as an experiment I increased my Credit availability, which lowered my overall credit debt percentage and that increased my credit report numbers by TEN points !!.

So every countries economies are different. If you live in San Francisco house/commodity prices are through the room. If you live in the middle of nowhere, say in Iowa prices are much lower. And Iowa is a long ways away from San Francisco. Which brings up another thing the US is fairly large to most european countries. Matter of fact Texas itself, is fairly large ==> The Size Of Texas Compared To The Size Of Europe

So ... the basic equation ends up being you are in control of your own debt/savings.
 
I've lived and worked in Asia, Central America, Middle East, Europe, Africa and here is the USA. There are many many good places to hang your hat at the end of the day. I could have continued to lived and work in those places but I keep coming back here to California.

If I was restricted to only three descriptors for the USA they would be Freedom, Diversity and Opportunity ... for All. Freedom of choices ... from your clothing, to sexual orientation, to education, to the arts, to pretty much everything. This country is ruled by law, now by a ruling party. Our legal system is distinct and separate from other divisions of government. Per the foundation of this country, we are all treated equally under the law regardless of ruling party or wealth or religion or ethnicity. Those civil liberties and our choice to protect and enforce those civil liberties under rule by law ... are what make Americans ... Americans.

Freedom:
Read our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Those documents are the backbone of our government, republic, democracy and of our people. Those two documents are what binds this country together. The Constitution is a living document. Every single day the interpretation is challenge ... sometimes for expansion ... sometimes for restrictions. The Constitution is a people's document, any citizen can challenge or enforce the Constitution in many different ways, through our courts or through our legislators. And we vote, we vote for everything many times a year. (Unfortunately we vote so often that it is being taken for granted.) We vote for local issues, regional issues, state issues and national issues. We vote for people to manage our schools to people to manage our water, to people to manage our law enforcement, our cities, et al. As an example of our reliance with the founding documents, our armed forces do not swear to protect American citizens or American property but rather pledge to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic...".

Diversity:
I live in Los Angeles, one of those crossroads of the world. Los Angeles is amazingly diversified. When I was a city commissioner, I entertain delegations from every corner of the world who just wanted to observe who so many cultures lived together and actually benefitted from close association. There are 92 different languages spoken in the Los Angles Unified School District.

Opportunity
My father was the son of an immigrant farm worker (actually he dug wells). My father attended a segregated school. My father was restricted to where he could purchase a house. My father served 40+ years as a California State Senator, creating legislation for the sixth largest economy in the world (at the time). My father has roads, parks and a high school named in his honor. Often my father would end his speeches with "... Only in America." (The defense rests on opportunity.)

Earlier I said there are many many fine places to live other than the United States ... and Canada is one of them. I've never lived in Canada, but I feel that there isn't that great of a difference between Canada and the United States. But there is in climate. For example, the best farm climatically area in Canada butts up to the worst farmland in the US.

I am writing this from the patio where it is presently 73F. Mary Lou is trimming the Plumeria, I just finished cleaning the filters on the Koi pond. When I scan the backyard there are roses blooming, bright red and yellow peppers, melons, squash and cucumbers ready for picking. The Persimmons are thick on the tree and ready for picking are oranges, lemons, avocados, berries, tomatoes, et al.

In winter a drop on another 10 degrees, in summer 15 degrees higher. But the evenings are always cool with minimal humidity, usually the air is dry as a bone here. The worst you can say is that the SoCal weather is benign ... the best is something like fantastic. San Diego, may just have the best weather in the world (IIRC 65F in winter, 75F in summer).

In California from Mt. Whitney, the highest peak in the CONUS, you can look straight down to the lowest spot on North America, Death Valley. We have glaciers and sand dunes, 800 miles of coast line, world class cities, our Central Valley is the bread basket of the United States, we have the oldest trees in the world (Bristle Cone Pine), the largest trees in the world (Sequoias), the largest organism that has inhabited the world swims off our coast (Blue Whale). We have the finest public university system in the world with arguably the the best public university, Berkeley and the best private university, Stanford.

In winter in Los Angeles, you can snow ski in the morning, surf or sail in the afternoon, catch a premier movie and dine at a five star restaurant ... all on the same day. Yosemite is considered to be the most beautiful area in the world and California Highway 1 is spoken to as the most beautiful road in the world.

In summary, I think the differences between Canadians and Americans is the very strong American patriotic spirit based upon our Constitution and Declaration of Independence. (I read somewhere that the US War for Independence was the first war declared to change how a populace was governed.)

The biggest difference is climate and ecological diversity offered by the United States.

Gary

(I friend told me that the difference between a Canadian and an American is that the Canadian is a little bit more boring.)
That's it.
I'm moving in with Gary and his wife. :1219:
who with me ?

No chance spare room is my darkroom
 
Generally speaking, the u.s. is a rat race. Canada more a trip around the ferris wheel.
I would pic Canada, if I had not ties. Course being u.s. born I propose our freedoms (we aren't exactly a free country more a commercialized debt slave one with piles of legalities and red tape) aren't really that great despite being better than some other countries?
There is very little freedom whenever your existence is tied to money. You may not see the leash and collar on your neck but it is there. Prison without walls, is the u.s.

For this reason you may find Canada more free. As it is less commercialized, although it isn't far off. I like Quebec personally spent a lot of time in Quebec. Very nice people.
 
Generally speaking, the u.s. is a rat race. Canada more a trip around the ferris wheel.
I would pic Canada, if I had not ties. Course being u.s. born I propose our freedoms (we aren't exactly a free country more a commercialized debt slave one with piles of legalities and red tape) aren't really that great despite being better than some other countries?
There is very little freedom whenever your existence is tied to money. You may not see the leash and collar on your neck but it is there. Prison without walls, is the u.s.

For this reason you may find Canada more free. As it is less commercialized, although it isn't far off. I like Quebec personally spent a lot of time in Quebec. Very nice people.
You're only in the rat race if you participate in the rat race.
I like being a spectator.
 
Generally speaking, the u.s. is a rat race. Canada more a trip around the ferris wheel.
I would pic Canada, if I had not ties. Course being u.s. born I propose our freedoms (we aren't exactly a free country more a commercialized debt slave one with piles of legalities and red tape) aren't really that great despite being better than some other countries?
There is very little freedom whenever your existence is tied to money. You may not see the leash and collar on your neck but it is there. Prison without walls, is the u.s.

For this reason you may find Canada more free. As it is less commercialized, although it isn't far off. I like Quebec personally spent a lot of time in Quebec. Very nice people.
You're only in the rat race if you participate in the rat race.
I like being a spectator.
I am tempted to go that route. ON the other hand I have these kids running around and I would like to leave them a business or SOMETHING.. And coming from a family that owned business's and assets I would hate to be the first one to die owning nothing. ON the other hand.
someone told me once that what you own, actually owns you. As I get older it seems to resonate with me more and more. Really a no win. Since my stroke I am temporarily banned from running the race anyway, least for now. Course u.s. mentality. Don't be a dead beat try or die trying. we are inexplicably programmed for competition and financial acquisition as gauge of our self worth. Perhaps a result of our founding and capitalistic roots. . Those that don't play along fall by the wayside.
I haven't been to a lot of countries, but I dare say I don't fathom another country being as grounded in competition and commercialization as the u.s. is, it is our religion. which often becomes a detriment to quality of life (as you spend all your life trying get or keep what you have and maintain it).

one would probably find statistics of much more content stress free people in Canada as we are all products of our environment and Canada doesn't quite seem to carry that same mentality (though it has basically become Americanized to much extent).
 
I think Canada and the USA are very close culturally. I think a an American can easily live in Canada as a Canadian can easily live in the USA.

The two things I'd look at is climate & geography (one thing). It seems you pretty much have a clean slate, no family or other strings attached to any particular region of either country. So think hard ... what type of climate appeals to you? Do you like seasons ... then the East Coasts (of both countries), do you like extreme seasons ... then the middle of both countries, do you like temperate climate all year-round then the West Coasts, do you like tropical then Southern Florida and Hawaii. Then you can adjust from there. As an example and typically, if you like extreme climate then the more northern you'll go ... middle of Canada. If you like temperate, the more south you go the more temperate until you hit San Diego. Do you like the desert, or lakes, mountains, seashore, rural, urban ... these are all filters to help you minimize your choices. Further refinements are jobs, price of housing, cost of living, education, et cetera. A few years ago, Ford moved its Lincoln-Mercury headquarters to Irvine, California after significant research. It concluded that while housing costs are much much higher in Orange County than in Dearborn, (smaller house for the same money), the increase in quality of life was well worth the move. So consider quality of life into your equation.

The second thing is culture. I think Canada is much more homogeneous than the USA. I think Canada is much more socialized than the USA. The USA is more of a 'rat race' ... much more competitive than Canada. The two US coasts anchored by, New York and Los Angeles, as being extremely competitive and the cultural/economic competitiveness tapering as you travel towards the center. In the US, you don't have the safety nets or the ceilings you have in Europe. You can climb real high here ... but you can also fall real low. A lot of that climbing and and falling is totally dependant upon the individual. Americans are very individualistic. The individual is very important to society as opposed to the greater good of society. The lone cowboy, making his own way on his own mettle, is still a very vivid American concept.

Lastly, if you can afford the time and expense, after narrowing your selection to a few regions/places, go visit them.

Gary
 
why only two choices? I hear the Russia is nice this time of year, lot of fun family activities in Syria and the mountains of Afghanistan are gorgeous. Despite its issues Iceland could be a good place for sledding and anywhere in the uae is fairly friendly..
 
While I suspect some sarcasm in the previous, it is worth pointing out that plenty of people are living perfectly happy lives in all those places.

Probably best if you can about active war zones and avoid being an overlty oppressed minority, but other than that people can generally find a way to be happy most anywhere.
 
Let's not forget that our "freedom" is less about being free to do whatever we want. Is anyone ever free of the work needed to survive? Of course not. If it's not working to make money, then it's working to grow or kill food and get clean water and chop wood to stay warm.

But the Founding Fathers were more concerned with what we were free FROM: government control over our enterprises (be they our possessions or our person.) We ARE free to participate or not participate in "the rat race." We are also free from an overly-controlling state. Yes, there are going to be people who disagree with that, who say that government is getting more and more intrusive, and it probably is in certain ways, but it's also backing off in other ways. Whether or not you feel government is TOO intrusive depends on what you value and what you feel the government is trying to take away from you, or what it is trying to give you.

No, I am also NOT trying to get political. I'm just pointing out that regardless of your positions on taxes, guns, gay marriage, foreign policy, campaign finance, environmental policy, [insert your personal bete-noire here], the fact remains that we often forget about how much freedom we do have. How would we react if, for example, the police were allowed to just randomly come into a bar, make the owners turn off the music and turn on the lights, and the detain everyone in that bar until they checked all our papers? Or how about if the law gave us no protections over activities in our own home? What if there was no "expectation of privacy"? What if the police were allowed to track just anyone by monitoring you on GPS on your phone or car without probable cause?

So when we talk about freedom, it's not just about having enough money to do whatever we want. In terms of lifestyle, savings, possessions, we are only as enslaved as we want to be.
 

Create an account or login to comment

You must be a member in order to leave a comment

Create account

Create an account on our community. It's easy!

Log in

Already have an account? Log in here.

Back
Top Bottom