"Looking for Photographer to work for free"

Discussion in 'Photographic Discussions' started by Alleh Lindquist, Nov 9, 2008.

  1. Joves

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    Actually I do have a construction portfolio. Sorry to disappiont you. I pump concrete all over N.Az and, have photos of where I have placed concrete. I can use it if I choose to change jobs as part of my resume. It show where I have had difficult set ups and, how I handeled them, which im my business to show compentence in almost any situation.


     
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    :hail: I stand corrected, but the only point I was trying to make was thatfree construction work is unnacceptable, and free photography is not entirely. As some people, such as myself, need to build a portfolio, which will aid me in getting paid work. I could charge right from the start, but it'd be much harder, and I wouldn't nessesarily gain experience as quickly.
     
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    Its all word of mouth as well as what you have worked on in the past. If you have worked on the more exclusive bigger projects and did a great job, you can be sure that the developer or builder will request your services again (good reputation). If the opposite happens, they will even tell other developers to avoid you (bad reputation). Even the other trades will gossip about you if you are good or bad. On our company website, we have listed past jobs and clients which I guess is a form of a portfolio, but most dont.
     
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    I think the reason for this is that free construction would involve a massive financial loss on behalf of the contractor, whereas free photography would not. To explain, materials and workers etc. cost money as well as time. Free photography, assuming it is digital and therefore has no film or development costs, merely costs time. Furthermore, construction is a "you can do it or you can't" thing, whereas photography is very subjective, and experience does help.

    Of course, you could argue that time and money are interchangable, but that's another discussion... In any case, I don't think the analogy between photography and construction is an accurate one.
     
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    I am looking for somebody to cook for me for free.

    I am looking for somebody to do a new website for me for free.

    I am looking for somebody to do my grocery shopping for free.

    I am looking for somebody to carry my scuba equipment for me for free.

    I am SOL, and these people seeking free photography should be too.
     
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    I agree. Except I would shoot for small local charities for free if asked. Most of our local ones are barely able to stay afloat as it is. Now if it was a major charity then no way! They generally have CEOs who make big bucks so they should pay.
     
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    I recently started shooting for a small automotive website for free. I don't have a portfolio or contacts to get real work, so this is how i'm building one. Photography's been a hobby for years, but now it's possible I could get paid for it once I get enough experience and meet the right people, all because I accepted free work. ...although, I do get free media passes to events I would've gone to anyway (and would've paid to get in on my own).
     
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    I'm fresh to the photography game, but I've hung enough with plenty of musicians who struggle with the same thing. Yes, there's getting your foot in the door, but that sort of thinking is what got us in this situation in the first place. Economics: higher supply, lower price. Marketing: lower price, lower value. 'Standards' are established, and this cycle perpetuates.

    Are you folks familiar with the term payola? In short, it's paying to have your work used. Music's already there. I'm scared for the day photography takes that leap.

    I'm with Alleh. I think this must be approached with severity; not to the solicitors of free work, but to the photographers themselves.
     
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    I'm not getting this. What can you do--Beat them up?

    This happened a few years ago with websites. Now anybody can build one.

    How did the professional photographers of the 70s survive the SLR revolution? IMO, by improving their craft and marketing. The good ones with the right skills and equipment rose to the top of the heap. Just a bigger heap.
     
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    If necessary! Haha. No, not beat them - but .. speak the truth. Tell it like it is.

    Also, to take my point in the opposite direction, money isn't the only form of payment out there. I wouldn't do a shoot for free (not that I'm qualified for it just yet), but for a link from a high profile website? You bet I would. Mind you, that might just be the SEO in me talking. Point is, exposure's a lot more liquid than cash for some companies and can be worth more to you than cash would have been.
     
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    Why turn them over to the Ministry Of Love, of course.
     
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    Well then you're not really with Alleh. He advocates attacking the solicitors:

    Pretty much everyone else turned it into a 'don't do the work for free' argument, though.
     

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