"Looking for Photographer to work for free"

Discussion in 'Photographic Discussions' started by Alleh Lindquist, Nov 9, 2008.

  1. Alleh Lindquist

    Alleh Lindquist TPF Noob!

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    I forgot to mention they were looking for someone with experience not someone trying to gain some.

    As stated in the ad "we are looking for a professional photographer..."


     
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    Well that adds a different dynamic to it. They are just greedy and stupid then.
     
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    But seriously I started out underpricing and that worked for all of 1 or 2 weddings because you have to get into your field somehow. If it means just shooting to break even at first then I think that that is fine. I am earning money to help with school now and hopefully after school I can take what I learn and apply it to whatever it is I do with photography because unlike some Uncle Bob with a DSLR I am sticking with photography.
     
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    Stated in the ad, but not here. That changes things.
     
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    Because you dont need a license to do it.
     
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    I agree, Portland is pretty bad..
     
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    Hey, I just had the Bump Magazine email and call me wanting an image for their front cover. I said no. NO WAY.... I was supposed to give them the rights for free and also sign a contract that I was giving it to them for free and was not allowed to sell it to anyone for at least 12 months.

    When I sat down and thought about that, I realized how absurd it is that any photographer would agree to such. But alas, they will call another photographer who will gladly give it to them thinking that anyone really cares about the tiny print credit they will get somewhere hidden in the magazine - they think, "I have my image on the front cover, I will be the next superstar now..."

    Unbelievable.
     
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    JerryPH No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    ROFL... everyone wants to become the superstar... until they learn that there is some actual WORK and EFFORT needed to get the good shots out there and the ones that are the stupid ones, are the ones giving it away... I don't blame the clients for asking for freebies, I blame the dolts that are totally killing the industry by accepting to give their stuff away. THEY are the ones undervaluing themselves, their work and hurting other photographers in the process, because THEY are the ones setting the trend, not the people asking for the freebies.

    I believe we should be the ones giving them the looks as if they are crazy, not the clients at us.

    Nicely done Jodie!
     
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    The problem also stems from peoples view of photographs as a whole. A lot people (some of which are the ones asking for free services) just assume that all it takes is an expensive camera... Cheaper "entry level" cameras have brought cheaper equipment for us all, but at what cost? Are we willing to pay a little more for our equipment, and not have every TOOL out pretending to be a photographer taking money from the true professionals? Or would we rather have the cheaper equipment with our bottom line going south? I don't make my living off of photographs. I don't rely on my photographs to put food on the table, but I do work for a living and if I had to do what I do at work for free to "get into the business", I would look for a new business because my time is not free, ever. I don't think I will ever photograph for a living, not because of a lack of talent, but because I don't think people appreciate photographers enough.
     
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    There is a sucker born every minute they say. I think free photography has it's place in certain situations. Like shooting for church news letter, or a "real" charity needing some help. I say real because there are a lot of fake charities that are nothing more than an expense generator so the person running it can make money, and they give just a pittance to an actual need. Anyway thats off topic.

    But lately it seems people are trying to use the charity, or gain experience, or work with this famous publication more and more to gain free work. They are preying on peoples good intentions or wanting to gain notoriety / fame. Just look at all the people that sign up for Idol. They all have to sign contracts before they perform. Be it they are good or bad, they are signing lots of stuff away to Idol's production company! They do it not thinking of what they are doing. They are just dreaming of being on the show and chosen. Now one of them who didn't even make the top 24 has a record deal, and is now being sued because he signed that contract with Idol! They want their cut even though they did not help at all with him getting that record deal!

    There are crooks that con people for money gains. And there are legitimate business that con people for money gains. It's a never ending story. They prey on people! And there's a sucker born every minute!
     
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    It's even WORSE in the modeling field, and in fact I just ranted on this recently on Model Mayhem.

    In modeling what happens is this:

    1. There are a lot of guys WILLING to take pictures of models, assuming they are going to be half naked, naked, or various stages between.

    2. A model starts out, puts some self-taken-Myspace pictures of herself on the portfolio, and the guys above email her telling her how "incredible" she is and how "she's gonna make it" and offering thier services for free (assuming she's willing to get naked, or wear some lingerie, or show off her assets in other ways that probably won't benefit her portfolio).

    3. The model takes pictures with the photographer, and it so excited she posts 15 of them. Then she works with him again, or another of his clones, creting another set of nearly nude or otherwise very limited concept.

    4. The mode, realizing that all she is getting is more offers for more TnA photos, wants to branch out and posts a casting call looking for a creative photographer to do something new!

    5. Regular photographers, (not the other ones mentioned above), respond to the casting call with rates.

    6. The model either ignores them, or responds angrily. I mean, after all, how DARE a photographer charge a model for pictures? They are supposed to be the "Next Big Thing", and any photographer should be more than compensated just by the mere presence of someone of her caliber.

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    There are probably multiple views to this.

    A pro will not like the idea because their photo pay their rent and put food on the table. Understandable.

    On other hand, someone who is trying to get toe into door may want to do it just to get some exposure. I'm rank newb/amateur, and even I know not to sign over rights of photo - this part I found disturbing. BUT to get foot in door, some who are starting out may be willing to do it for free.

    I see any business as an agreement between two parties. One party wants something for free - if what they want is not available for free, I doubt they will waste time asking. I'm not in a position to judge someone because I am "not in that business."
     

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