Need help figuring out this Flash..

[Life]

Amazon.com : Yongnuo YN-560 II Speedlight Flash for Canon and Nikon. GN58. : On Camera Shoe Mount Flashes : Camera & Photo I've been looking at / for flashes and this one caught my eye. I've done research, and like what I see, BUT. It is an all manual flash, I know what part of that means, but not 100%. #1: Will this flash work if I mount it on my bracket, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008UNAK0E/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 #2: It being manual, and it would work on that bracket, do I use my pop up flash to activate this yongnuo flash? Thanks guys!

 

[robbins.photo]

Point the flashy end at their face, not yours.

Lol.

You might want to consider a yongnuo 565 EX - it will work in both manual and TTL mode, give you a few more options so that you don't always have to use it in manual. I have one, really like it.

 

[astroNikon]

I have one but only as a remote flash
The only negative I have is the 560II only supports IR triggering up to about 8 feet, in the dark. Don't add light. I use a SU-800 and found this out after I bought one.
If you use a flash to trigger it or a radio trigger, then it is okay.
power output is really good.
and much cheaper than OEM

My 560 is my background light but only when it's closer.
but I recommend the 565EX

 

[Life]

I can only spend $50. Maybe $55. And fyi none of you answered my question. All I need to know is if I can use that flash as is on the bracket. Because I already have a macro flash that mounts on the lens, which has Both Light mode and flash. Sadly Flash mode does NOT work on that bracket, however the light mode does. So what I need is a good flash that will work on the bracket or if I hold it in my hand. I was watching a photography video, and the guy was talking about how he setup 2 flashes one on each side of him, turned them on, and used his pop up flash in "command" mode to trigger the other 2 flashes. And that is basically what I want to be able to do. I'll only have 1 flash, but that same princable. I guess to sum it up, I need a flash that fires when I press the shutter on my camera, even if I am holding the flash in my hand.

 

[astroNikon]

Yes, but you need a Commander mode. I'm not sure if the d3100 has a Commander mode.
But as a manual flash, your popup flash will set off the 560 in remote mode when it is on a light stand bracket (I don't think we knew what you meant by bracket versus hot shoe / cold shoe).

I think that's right. I use a SU-800 for remote flashes and ignore my camera's Commander modes. But a radio trigger is the best solution in the end. My popup flash never gets used.

You should be able to adjust the output of your popup flash to the lowest setting and that should trigger your remote flash. But that will also give light to your subject too whether you want it or not.

 

[Life]

Yes, but you need a Commander mode. I'm not sure if the d3100 has a Commander mode.
But as a manual flash, your popup flash will set off the 560 in remote mode when it is on a light stand bracket (I don't think we knew what you meant by bracket versus hot shoe / cold shoe).

I think that's right. I use a SU-800 for remote flashes and ignore my camera's Commander modes. But a radio trigger is the best solution in the end. My popup flash never gets used.

You should be able to adjust the output of your popup flash to the lowest setting and that should trigger your remote flash. But that will also give light to your subject too whether you want it or not.

Guys thanks for trying.. but still not helping.. Maybe explain it to me like i'm a retard?

 

[Derrel]

Look into an off camera flash connecting cord, at Flashzebra.com. Forget the triggers and remotes and just BUY A CORD, or two, and hard-wire the flash units together, and connect the main unit to the hotshoe. Still the easiest and least hassle, and the EASIEST to troubleshoot, by farrrrrrrr. Cheap Chinese remotes fail....maybe not today, maybe not next week, but next...Christmas...or next big birthday party.Or the batteries die. Or you misplace a tranmitter or a receiver, or one of the needed TWO transcievers! ACK!!!

This weekend I used an almost 30 year-old Nikon SC-17 TTL remote cord for a few shots of off-camera flash. I bought it when I was 24. I am 51 years old now. If it does not fire the flash, or FLASHES....which can be connected to one another by cords, that means the cord is 1)unplugged or 2) broken. I did not need batteries, or tranmitter/receiver and batteries, or batteries, transmitter, receiver and CORDS, and the right channel and a line of sight, and so on. All I needed was "the connecting cord".

On a flash bracket, a TTL connecting cord like a Nikon SC-28 or SC-29 is the schizznit for bracket flash triggering.

 

[astroNikon]

well, you mentioned Commander Mode ... so I assumed you knew about it
The Nikon Companion: Understanding Nikon's Flash Commander Mode

and you can search online about the Commander Mode.

BUT .. your d3100 does not have Commander Mode
http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...orum/246115-off-camera-flash-nikon-d3100.html


so you may just want to do what Derrel says ... and it's much cheaper.

FYI ... Once you get into Off Camera Flash (OCF) it seems to be a money pit.

I use a Nikon SU-800 for controller remote flashes via InfraRed (IR) even thought my d7000 and d600 both have Commander Modes. http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Flashes/SU-800-Wireless-Speedlight-Commander.html
I'm trying to hold off needing Radio Triggers.

 

[Life]

Here is the problem guys. I cannot put anything on the hot shoe that is ON my camera. That space is already used up. What would be ideal for me is like a transceiver that I can put on may bracket, and then use a cable FROM the transceiver, and plug the cable into my camera. and then I can wirelessy shoot the flash when I press the shutter.


EDIT: Is this what you guys mean: http://www.amazon.com/Neewer-Channe...qid=1404214520&sr=8-1&keywords=wireless+flash Can I put this on my bracket? OR is there something like this but with a cable that goes into the camera?

EDIT AGAIN: That set in the link has 2 receivers. I was thinking, I could put 1 receiver on the bracket, and maybe out the flash trigger ON the receiver, and the put the flash on the other so I can use it wherever I want, on or off camera? So much my camera can't do I'm about ready to just buy a new damn camera. It'd be such a saver over the long run...

EDIT... It says"(if your camera does not have a hot shoe use a PC sync cord and insert into the socket) ". So then I can just pretend that I don't have a hot shoe, and use the cable. problem solved right? Accept the extra $20...

@Derrel. Thanks. I was confused at first but now understand what you were saying

 

[Braineack]

Look into an off camera flash connecting cord, at Flashzebra.com. Forget the triggers and remotes and just BUY A CORD, or two, and hard-wire the flash units together, and connect the main unit to the hotshoe. Still the easiest and least hassle, and the EASIEST to troubleshoot, by farrrrrrrr. Cheap Chinese remotes fail....maybe not today, maybe not next week, but next...Christmas...or next big birthday party.Or the batteries die. Or you misplace a tranmitter or a receiver, or one of the needed TWO transcievers! ACK!!!

This weekend I used an almost 30 year-old Nikon SC-17 TTL remote cord for a few shots of off-camera flash. I bought it when I was 24. I am 51 years old now. If it does not fire the flash, or FLASHES....which can be connected to one another by cords, that means the cord is 1)unplugged or 2) broken. I did not need batteries, or tranmitter/receiver and batteries, or batteries, transmitter, receiver and CORDS, and the right channel and a line of sight, and so on. All I needed was "the connecting cord".

On a flash bracket, a TTL connecting cord like a Nikon SC-28 or SC-29 is the schizznit for bracket flash triggering.

I've actually started having issues with my RF603s. They seems to work fine so far from the camera, but when I'm using one as a remote trigger I'm having a tough time getting them to "sync" anymore and it justs displays a red light when I push the button.

The worse is when you drain the batteries...

I absolutely would recommend a short remote flash cord for a bracket like that.

Here is the problem guys. I cannot put anything on the hot shoe that is ON my camera. That space is already used up.

with what?

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]What would be ideal for me is like a transceiver that I can put on may bracket, and then use a cable FROM the transceiver, and plug the cable into my camera. and then I can wirelessly shoot the flash when I press the shutter.[/FONT]

This is what derrel is suggesting, but you need to use the hot shoe to send the signal. Unless you have a flash with a sync port and a camera with one as well like the D800.

 

[Life]

Look into an off camera flash connecting cord, at Flashzebra.com. Forget the triggers and remotes and just BUY A CORD, or two, and hard-wire the flash units together, and connect the main unit to the hotshoe. Still the easiest and least hassle, and the EASIEST to troubleshoot, by farrrrrrrr. Cheap Chinese remotes fail....maybe not today, maybe not next week, but next...Christmas...or next big birthday party.Or the batteries die. Or you misplace a tranmitter or a receiver, or one of the needed TWO transcievers! ACK!!!

This weekend I used an almost 30 year-old Nikon SC-17 TTL remote cord for a few shots of off-camera flash. I bought it when I was 24. I am 51 years old now. If it does not fire the flash, or FLASHES....which can be connected to one another by cords, that means the cord is 1)unplugged or 2) broken. I did not need batteries, or tranmitter/receiver and batteries, or batteries, transmitter, receiver and CORDS, and the right channel and a line of sight, and so on. All I needed was "the connecting cord".

On a flash bracket, a TTL connecting cord like a Nikon SC-28 or SC-29 is the schizznit for bracket flash triggering.

I've actually started having issues with my RF603s. They seems to work fine so far from the camera, but when I'm using one as a remote trigger I'm having a tough time getting them to "sync" anymore and it justs displays a red light when I push the button.

The worse is when you drain the batteries...

I absoutely would recommend a short remote flash cord for a bracket like that.

Guys you are confusing me. Remote" makes me think that I will need to fire off the flash myself. I do not want that. I want the camera to fire it off... For sake of simplicity. Can someone find me a good flash with options like the yongnuo, but is not only manual and that I can fire WITH my camera without it being directly on the hotshoe of the camera.

 

[Braineack]

Guys you are confusing me. Remote" makes me think that I will need to fire off the flash myself. I do not want that. I want the camera to fire it off... For sake of simplicity. Can someone find me a good flash with options like the yongnuo, but is not only manual and that I can fire WITH my camera without it being directly on the hotshoe of the camera.

you just need something like this: Amazon.com : Opteka FSC-5 E-TTL / i-TTL Off-Camera Flash Sync Cord for Canon EOS, Nikon & Pentax DSLR Cameras (75" Cord) : Camera Flash Synch Cords : Electronics

 

[Life]

Yes but for the millionth time, it CANNOT be hooked on to the hot shoe on my camera. It just will not work.has to be something that either hooks into one of the slots in the side of the camera.. I really think I might see how much I Can get for my D3100 and lens and stuff,m and then buy a D7100 body, If I canot get that from someone for cheap maybe a d5200-d5300 if it can bracket and so on. and if it has COMMAND mode.. Because with the d3100, not only do I have problems with flashses and multiple of them, but also everything else. It is limiting me a lot.

 

[Designer]

I can only spend $50. Maybe $55. And fyi none of you answered my question. All I need to know is if I can use that flash as is on the bracket. Because I already have a macro flash that mounts on the lens, which has Both Light mode and flash. Sadly Flash mode does NOT work on that bracket, however the light mode does. So what I need is a good flash that will work on the bracket or if I hold it in my hand. I was watching a photography video, and the guy was talking about how he setup 2 flashes one on each side of him, turned them on, and used his pop up flash in "command" mode to trigger the other 2 flashes. And that is basically what I want to be able to do. I'll only have 1 flash, but that same princable. I guess to sum it up, I need a flash that fires when I press the shutter on my camera, even if I am holding the flash in my hand.

First you asked about firing the flash while in the hotshoe, then you say that the hotshoe is occupied, and therefore your new flash cannot go on the hotshoe.

What is in the hotshoe?

The term "command mode" probably refers to Nikon's proprietary Creative Lighting System - CLS. In that, some Nikon cameras (prosumer and above) will command the CLS using the built-in flash.

You cannot have that system with a Yonguno flash.

If you are wanting to fire the flash remotely without a cord or a radio-frequency transmitter and receiver setup, you probably can use "slave mode". Consult your user's manual for the Yonguno flash for how to put it into slave mode. Slave mode means that the flash has a light sensor built in that will sense another flash and fire the remote flash at the same time. You will need another flash firing in sync with the shutter in order to fire the remote slave flash.

 

[Life]

I can only spend $50. Maybe $55. And fyi none of you answered my question. All I need to know is if I can use that flash as is on the bracket. Because I already have a macro flash that mounts on the lens, which has Both Light mode and flash. Sadly Flash mode does NOT work on that bracket, however the light mode does. So what I need is a good flash that will work on the bracket or if I hold it in my hand. I was watching a photography video, and the guy was talking about how he setup 2 flashes one on each side of him, turned them on, and used his pop up flash in "command" mode to trigger the other 2 flashes. And that is basically what I want to be able to do. I'll only have 1 flash, but that same princable. I guess to sum it up, I need a flash that fires when I press the shutter on my camera, even if I am holding the flash in my hand.

First you asked about firing the flash while in the hotshoe, then you say that the hotshoe is occupied, and therefore your new flash cannot go on the hotshoe.

What is in the hotshoe?

The term "command mode" probably refers to Nikon's proprietary Creative Lighting System - CLS. In that, some Nikon cameras (prosumer and above) will command the CLS using the built-in flash.

You cannot have that system with a Yonguno flash.

If you are wanting to fire the flash remotely without a cord or a radio-frequency transmitter and receiver setup, you probably can use "slave mode". Consult your user's manual for the Yonguno flash for how to put it into slave mode. Slave mode means that the flash has a light sensor built in that will sense another flash and fire the remote flash at the same time. You will need another flash firing in sync with the shutter in order to fire the remote slave flash.

I never ever said anything about using my flash on the cameras hot shoe. Where do you get that? Also, what's in the shoe now is my macro flash.. Thanks everyone but I will not buy a flash right now. I will first get a new body sometime, then I will get a flash after that. Thanks for all the input though!