Opinion of Nikon in general

[JacaRanda]

Heck, after seeing Matthew's eagle shots, I darn near got poopie pants and ordered a D7100 :mrgreen:

Dude, it would not take much to figure out that in Nikon or Canon you are dealing with pretty much the top two dawgz - for somewhat normal people. (had to throw that in for the Leica folks).

 

[robbins.photo]

Heck, after seeing Matthew's eagle shots, I darn near got poopie pants and ordered a D7100 :mrgreen:

Dude, it would not take much to figure out that in Nikon or Canon you are dealing with pretty much the top two dawgz - for somewhat normal people. (had to throw that in for the Leica folks).

Ok, wait.. is the poopie pants thing required for D7100 shooting? Because if so I might just stick with my D5200.. lol

 

[slow231]

How many people bought the D600 knowing that there MIGHT be a oil issue on the sensor? I had an issue when I bought my D5100 and sent it to Nikon and got a new camera and lens in 3 weeks! I've had a great experience with Nikon so far.

I did, and mine does have the oil issue. mine was also a factory refurb too (ie checked out by nikon). It's annoying, it gets dirty VERY fast, and is very annoying to clean (usually taking multiple wet swabs). That said I love the camera. It's an awesome mix of IQ, low light, and light weight (yes this is a plus for someone who actually uses their camera professionally... but that's another rant). I just have to clean it WAY more often than i'd like, and it takes a lot longer than i'd like.

the oil doesn't annoy me nearly much as all of the people WITHOUT D600's who like to chime in about the problem being hyped. this thread is a perfect example, look at all of those who felt the need to say something about the problem being hype... how many own d600's? I actually have a dog in this fight, and i don't complain about the problem nearly as much as these guys b*tch about it not being a problem.

not saying that they can't potentially have decent 2nd hand info or research... but none have actual experience either positively or negatively in relation to the problem. in the end they're just parroting what they've heard... aka hype. not surprisingly it's the same people who like to give lens reviews/advice about lenses they've never used.

IMO it's wrong to say "it's just dust", it's not. or that "it clears up after xxx shots", because it's still pretty strong after dozens of 1000's of shots, perhaps it got better, but certainly not gone. and i have no idea where people are getting their #'s concerning "few isolated incidents". It certainly affected a good chunk of the early products which was clearly evident by the first initial lensrental report that started the whole issue. a lot of what's being said is from people who have absolutely no clue or experience with what they're talking about. funny how they're the ones complaining about hype.

back to the OP no i haven't lost faith. a company like this isn't going to recall all their cameras for something that's really not catastrophic. Like i said I have one with the dust issue. and I knew this when i still had a chance to return it. I didn't, and still wouldn't today. Nikon makes great cameras, imo better than the other options out there dust/oil or not.

 

[astroNikon]

fyi, my d600 refurb from a few months ago has been clean so far. but i haven't put thousands and thousands of shots on it yet

 

[JacaRanda]

Heck, after seeing Matthew's eagle shots, I darn near got poopie pants and ordered a D7100 :mrgreen:

Dude, it would not take much to figure out that in Nikon or Canon you are dealing with pretty much the top two dawgz - for somewhat normal people. (had to throw that in for the Leica folks).

Ok, wait.. is the poopie pants thing required for D7100 shooting? Because if so I might just stick with my D5200.. lol

Well you know for wildlife photography, you have to blend in with the elements. Poopie pants attract vultures really well. Don't knock it til you smell it...errrr try it.

 

[CaptainNapalm]

My personal experience with Nikon has been outstanding from the customer service standpoint. I dropped off my camera to have it repaired under warranty for a faulty shutter mechanism at a service centre. The repairs are advertised to take 4-6 weeks. I got my camera back within 2 weeks with shutter mechanism replaced. Not only that, they had replaced the full camera grip and top frame which was dented from damage I inflicted by dropping the camera from 2 meters high on concrete my own fault which they didn't have to do. They also cleaned my sensor and camera on the outside and have me a free Nikon shirt and camera cleaning kit when I picked up the camera. Total cost to me for all this = zero. I'll be sticking with Nikon.

 

[Derrel]

Lemme see...FM, FM-2, FE, FE-2, F3HP, F2A, F2 ASB, N90s, F FTN, D1, D1h, D70,D2x, D3x... so I have owned 14 Nikon bodies. Only issues were the D1 developed a diaphragm actuator problem, and had to be sent to Nikon, Torrance, Calif. repair facility. The FE was a bit dodgy too, so I sold it on to the next fellow (I was owner #2 on the FE, owner #2 on the D1 as well). Over 50 Nikkor lenses, made from the early 1960's to as recently as 2012, only had ONE lens repair, that of a 1970-era 35mm f/1.4 whose diaphragm crapped out in 1985. Only one really chitty lens, a 35-135 Zoom-Nikkor (I was owner #4 of that utter POS optics).

Overall, a good record. TWO items sent in for repair since 1982.

 

[yioties]

Nikon in Mississauga gives great service

 

[robbins.photo]

How many people bought the D600 knowing that there MIGHT be a oil issue on the sensor? I had an issue when I bought my D5100 and sent it to Nikon and got a new camera and lens in 3 weeks! I've had a great experience with Nikon so far.

I did, and mine does have the oil issue. mine was also a factory refurb too (ie checked out by nikon). It's annoying, it gets dirty VERY fast, and is very annoying to clean (usually taking multiple wet swabs). That said I love the camera. It's an awesome mix of IQ, low light, and light weight (yes this is a plus for someone who actually uses their camera professionally... but that's another rant). I just have to clean it WAY more often than i'd like, and it takes a lot longer than i'd like.

the oil doesn't annoy me nearly much as all of the people WITHOUT D600's who like to chime in about the problem being hyped. this thread is a perfect example, look at all of those who felt the need to say something about the problem being hype... how many own d600's? I actually have a dog in this fight, and i don't complain about the problem nearly as much as these guys b*tch about it not being a problem.

not saying that they can't potentially have decent 2nd hand info or research... but none have actual experience either positively or negatively in relation to the problem. in the end they're just parroting what they've heard... aka hype. not surprisingly it's the same people who like to give lens reviews/advice about lenses they've never used.

IMO it's wrong to say "it's just dust", it's not. or that "it clears up after xxx shots", because it's still pretty strong after dozens of 1000's of shots, perhaps it got better, but certainly not gone. and i have no idea where people are getting their #'s concerning "few isolated incidents". It certainly affected a good chunk of the early products which was clearly evident by the first initial lensrental report that started the whole issue. a lot of what's being said is from people who have absolutely no clue or experience with what they're talking about. funny how they're the ones complaining about hype.

back to the OP no i haven't lost faith. a company like this isn't going to recall all their cameras for something that's really not catastrophic. Like i said I one one with the problem, and I knew this when i still had a chance to return it. I didn't, and still wouldn't today. Nikon makes great cameras, imo better than the other options out there dust/oil or not.

Ok, well if you bought refurb with a warranty why not send it back in to get the problem addressed? Have you actually done anything proactive about the situation or informed anyone where you purchased the camera or anyone at Nikon that your having an issue? Because of the folks that I talked to who had the problem, everyone that did say once they actually contacted someone at Nikon or the authorized dealer they bought it from the issue was addressed and fixed.

As for the numbers, Nikon never really officially released any numbers on it but they do release their sales numbers, and had the problem been anywhere near as bad as the interwebs made it out to be you would expect to see a pretty noticeable downward spike there at some stage, and there isn't one. While you might have some anecdotal evidence, well I'm sorry to say that really doesn't make you any more of an expert on the topic than anyone else, nor does it make anyone else less qualified to speak on the subject than you are, I'm sorry but that's just a non sequiter.

You'll also note that the OP's question isn't so much specifically about the D600 but about Nikon as a company and how well they stand behind their products. In my experience and in the experience of many others, they seem to stand behind their products fairly well.

 

[grafxman]

As a Canon guy I'm not going to diss Nikon however there is one thing about Nikon stuff that has long puzzled me. For some reason there always seems to be more used Nikon gear for sale than Canon gear. I first noticed this when I was looking for a used Sigma lens a few years ago. Everywhere I went, fredmiranda, KEH, bhphoto, craigslist, ebay, etc. it seemed there were always Nikons available but no Canons. Anyway, before I wrote this I just did a little survey of used gear. At KEH I found 47 Canon bodies and 59 Nikon bodies. There were 83 Canon lenses and 121 Nikon lenses of all types. At bhphoto there were 57 used Canon cameras and 64 used Nikon cameras. Here on the TPF there are 2 Canon items for sale and 14 Nikon items.

I don't know what this means. Maybe Nikon sells a lot more cameras than Canon. Maybe Nikon owners are more dissatisfied with their gear than Canon owners. Or, it could mean something else. In any event, Nikon lovers have a much wider selection of used stuff to choose from. I just think it's a bit odd. Then too, some folks think I'm a bit odd.

 

[mikoh4792]

Maybe you should buy a Canon if you think their customer service is better than Nikon's I own several Canons they are no better or worse than Nikon and I've heard horror stories about Canon do you really need us to tell you what to do ? Not trying to be a wiseguy but I like to do a lot of research make up my own mind when I buy something

I just came here to get people's opinion, I don't see the problem. I am getting people's opinion, and then making up my own mind.... I usually like to see what other people think when I am new to a certain hobby.

 

[grafxman]

How many people bought the D600 knowing that there MIGHT be a oil issue on the sensor? I had an issue when I bought my D5100 and sent it to Nikon and got a new camera and lens in 3 weeks! I've had a great experience with Nikon so far.

I did, and mine does have the oil issue. mine was also a factory refurb too (ie checked out by nikon). It's annoying, it gets dirty VERY fast, and is very annoying to clean (usually taking multiple wet swabs). That said I love the camera. It's an awesome mix of IQ, low light, and light weight (yes this is a plus for someone who actually uses their camera professionally... but that's another rant). I just have to clean it WAY more often than i'd like, and it takes a lot longer than i'd like.

the oil doesn't annoy me nearly much as all of the people WITHOUT D600's who like to chime in about the problem being hyped. this thread is a perfect example, look at all of those who felt the need to say something about the problem being hype... how many own d600's? I actually have a dog in this fight, and i don't complain about the problem nearly as much as these guys b*tch about it not being a problem.

not saying that they can't potentially have decent 2nd hand info or research... but none have actual experience either positively or negatively in relation to the problem. in the end they're just parroting what they've heard... aka hype. not surprisingly it's the same people who like to give lens reviews/advice about lenses they've never used.

IMO it's wrong to say "it's just dust", it's not. or that "it clears up after xxx shots", because it's still pretty strong after dozens of 1000's of shots, perhaps it got better, but certainly not gone. and i have no idea where people are getting their #'s concerning "few isolated incidents". It certainly affected a good chunk of the early products which was clearly evident by the first initial lensrental report that started the whole issue. a lot of what's being said is from people who have absolutely no clue or experience with what they're talking about. funny how they're the ones complaining about hype.

back to the OP no i haven't lost faith. a company like this isn't going to recall all their cameras for something that's really not catastrophic. Like i said I have one with the dust issue. and I knew this when i still had a chance to return it. I didn't, and still wouldn't today. Nikon makes great cameras, imo better than the other options out there dust/oil or not.

I've got nearly 19,000 photos and videos on flickr and nearly all of them were shot with Canons (50D, 7D, 6D) and I have never, ever had to clean a single camera. Many of my shots are outdoors in windy, dusty, moist, high humidity areas too. I have camera cleaning gear and I have had to get stuff off of lenses. Frankly speaking, if had a camera that I had to frequently wet swab clean I wouldn't even sell it. I would toss it in the garbage can after I blasted it with my 12 gauge so nobody else would get stuck with it then buy a different brand. But that's just me I guess. I have a low tolerance for things that cause me aggravation.

 

[robbins.photo]

As a Canon guy I'm not going to diss Nikon however there is one thing about Nikon stuff that has long puzzled me. For some reason there always seems to be more used Nikon gear for sale than Canon gear. I first noticed this when I was looking for a used Sigma lens a few years ago. Everywhere I went, fredmiranda, KEH, bhphoto, craigslist, ebay, etc. it seemed there were always Nikons available but no Canons. Anyway, before I wrote this I just did a little survey of used gear. At KEH I found 47 Canon bodies and 59 Nikon bodies. There were 83 Canon lenses and 121 Nikon lenses of all types. At bhphoto there were 57 used Canon cameras and 64 used Nikon cameras. Here on the TPF there are 2 Canon items for sale and 14 Nikon items.

I don't know what this means. Maybe Nikon sells a lot more cameras than Canon. Maybe Nikon owners are more dissatisfied with their gear than Canon owners. Or, it could mean something else. In any event, Nikon lovers have a much wider selection of used stuff to choose from. I just think it's a bit odd. Then too, some folks think I'm a bit odd.

Or it could be that more Nikon owners start with the entry level and then upgrade equipment whereas more canon owners stick with the entry level gear for longer - indicating that maybe Nikon has an edge in the "intermediate/hobbiest" end of the market but Canon has the edge in the "beginner" level.

Or It might also be dependent on your local area to a certain extent, I know in my local area the exact opposite is true. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a craigslist listing for canon gear, but I can count on one hand the number of listings for used Nikon gear.

Or it could have something to do with the winter solstice. Maybe it's a druid thing? Who knows about these things.. lol

 

[astroNikon]

Well you know for wildlife photography, you have to blend in with the elements. Poopie pants attract vultures really well. Don't knock it til you smell it...errrr try it.

you know CostalConn wears a Fish suit to get his shots.

I tried wearing a fish suit recently. And I got FABULOUS Closeup Shots with my 10mm as the Eagle was carrying me away

 

[runnah]

Nikons are for technicians and Canons are for artists.