Pro crop d500

[Braineack]

(Please keep in mind that a certain person that frequently comments on TPF on just how badly Nikon is running the world's #2 overall camera business, and who sometimes posts links to Canadian camera retail stores is participating in this thread...it almost seems to me that based on his anonymous user name that he might actually be Thom Hogan operating as a sock puppet...)

I thought it was intersting you posted a Tom's "the D750 is what the D600 should have been" quote. I can't remember how many times I read that word-for-word from left field.

I cant even belive some of the words being said considering how popular the 7DmII is, and this thing cannons the Canon with a boom, headshot.

 

[jaomul]

I thought Thom Hogan was a respected name around here. I've seen him been quoted many times

 

[cgw]

Hmmm...C$2700 list plus C$400 for the almost-mandatory grip!? Best price on a D810 this a.m. is C$2900. Which would you buy?

 

[gckless]

Hmmm...C$2700 list plus C$400 for the almost-mandatory grip!? Best price on a D810 this a.m. is C$2900. Which would you buy?

Don't forget to factor in the price to get to 600mm or more. I'll bet the total would swing the other way. I see your point, and for what I shoot I'm there with you. But the people buying this more than likely are buying it for the reach among other things.

 

[astroNikon]

Hmmm...C$2700 list plus C$400 for the almost-mandatory grip!? Best price on a D810 this a.m. is C$2900. Which would you buy?

If I had the money I'd have the same issue.
The d750 is less money.
The main draw for the d500 is the fps and build and all the new technical systems in it. It's an entire new level of camera.

I'm curious what the next level cameras will bring with trickle down technology ... the d760, d620, d820, d7300 ??

Maybe some ppl will move over from Canon too.

 

[Braineack]

Hmmm...C$2700 list plus C$400 for the almost-mandatory grip!? Best price on a D810 this a.m. is C$2900. Which would you buy?

Sometimes I really question your logic.

The retail price of the D810 is still listed at $3,600 CAD. Compare to the $2,700 CAD of the D500.

you weren't buying the D810 for $2900 CAD new when it was realeased almost two years ago. So by the end of 2017 we can also expect the D500 to drop a few hundred dollars on sales as well...

You're also factoring in the "mandatory" grip on the D500, but not for the D810. The MD-B12 is $350USD. The MD-B17 is $400 USD. So you can move the numbers only $50 closer, not $400. This point is moot if you buy a Vello copy for $50 anyway.


But that also brings me to this question: Why would you compare a D500 it to a D810?

Someone looking at the D500 isn't shopping for a D810. The D500 blows the D810 specs out of the water -- in all regards but the larger sensor; something the D500 user isn't looking for.

I honestly expect to see a D850 released sometime soon that's the FX verison of the D500. And then I also expect to hear you gripe about it using poor faulty logic to carry your narrative.

 

[cgw]

Hmmm...C$2700 list plus C$400 for the almost-mandatory grip!? Best price on a D810 this a.m. is C$2900. Which would you buy?

Sometimes I really question your logic.

The retail price of the D810 is still listed at $3,600 CAD. Compare to the $2,700 CAD of the D500.

you weren't buying the D810 for $2900 CAD new when it was realeased almost two years ago. So by the end of 2017 we can also expect the D500 to drop a few hundred dollars on sales as well...

You're also factoring in the "mandatory" grip on the D500, but not for the D810. The MD-B12 is $350USD. The MD-B17 is $400 USD. So you can move the numbers only $50 closer, not $400. This point is moot if you buy a Vello copy for $50 anyway.


But that also brings me to this question: Why would you compare a D500 it to a D810?

Someone looking at the D500 isn't shopping for a D810. The D500 blows the D810 specs out of the water -- in all regards but the larger sensor; something the D500 user isn't looking for.

I honestly expect to see a D850 released sometime soon that's the FX verison of the D500. And then I also expect to hear you gripe about it using poor faulty logic to carry your narrative.

Bro, your numeracy chops? Best street price for the 810 today on photoprice.ca is C$ 2900. You miss this every time by looking at MSRP only. Canadian street prices are no mystery to anyone save you. Nikon's vigorous FX promo will make the D500 a hard sell to anyone(and that's most) outside the relatively small market it will sell into.

 

[Solarflare]

I'm kind of surprised that Nikon went to 20 instead of 24 Megapixels. After all, this is mainly a camera for pro wildlife shooters ... who want as much resolution as possible, since they might crop a lot. Well, 20 vs 24 Megapixel is only a small difference, and 20 Megapixel will allow slightly higher fps.

What I also personally dislike is having cardslots of two different types. Cameras like D7000, D7100, D7200, D3, D3s, D5, D600, D610 and D750 who have two cardslots of the same type and a backup option appear preferable to me. Well possibly the D500 can use back mode with two cards in it, but thats a bit silly.

 

[Braineack]

Bro, your numeracy chops? Best street price for the 810 today on photoprice.ca is C$ 2900. You miss this every time by looking at MSRP only. Canadian street prices are no mystery to anyone save you. Nikon's vigorous FX promo will make the D500 a hard sell to anyone(and that's most) outside the relatively small market it will sell into.

You're comparing street prices on a camera that's almost 2 years old to brand new introductory prices of a brand new camera in a completely different class.

What was the price, on the street, of the D810 when it was first released? Was it retail or street price?

Can we then not assume that the D500 will have a similar "street price" discount?


Today, the D810, in the US, is $300 cheaper -- on the street -- than the retail price. That's still $700 USD more expensive than the new D500.

I'd rather spend $700 extra to get the camera that's going to be able to shoot 10fps for 20 seconds straight capturing 200 RAW images of Canadian Montes falling off horses.

 

[Braineack]

What I also personally dislike is having cardslots of two different types. Cameras like D7000, D7100, D7200, D3, D3s, D5, D600, D610 and D750 who have two cardslots of the same type and a backup option appear preferable to me. Well possibly the D500 can use back mode with two cards in it, but thats a bit silly.

400 mb/sec vs 90.

i wonder why they added it...

 

[jsecordphoto]

Hmmm...C$2700 list plus C$400 for the almost-mandatory grip!? Best price on a D810 this a.m. is C$2900. Which would you buy?

Apples to oranges here, do you not see that? As a landscape shooter I'd get the 810 if I were shopping for a camera, but for wildlife shooters this is a dream camera body

 

[coastalconn]

I'm kind of surprised that Nikon went to 20 instead of 24 Megapixels. After all, this is mainly a camera for pro wildlife shooters ... who want as much resolution as possible, since they might crop a lot. Well, 20 vs 24 Megapixel is only a small difference, and 20 Megapixel will allow slightly higher fps.

I keep seeing only 20 MP. That is a difference of like 7% linear so your image would be 280 DPI vs 300 DPI, a difference in my humble opinion that would not even be noticeable at any size print. My bet is that Nikon can squeeze better high ISO performance out of the slightly larger pixels and the quality of the pixels will actual produce better looking final images. I'm also surprised that people are so intrigued by the MP race still. Heck I bought the 7dm2 in April and I just had to google it to see how many MP it actually was. Unless there is a huge difference in MP it doesn't really matter...

Hmmm...C$2700 list plus C$400 for the almost-mandatory grip!? Best price on a D810 this a.m. is C$2900. Which would you buy?

Apples to oranges here, do you not see that? As a landscape shooter I'd get the 810 if I were shopping for a camera, but for wildlife shooters this is a dream camera body

Bingo!

 

[Derrel]

Hmmm...C$2700 list plus C$400 for the almost-mandatory grip!? Best price on a D810 this a.m. is C$2900. Which would you buy?

Quick, let's blame Nikon for Canada's week dollar, like camera guru writer is doing!

The almost-mandatory grip, eh? Wait, what is the price of the almost-mandatory grip for the D810,eh?

Wait, lemme see if I understand: I could buy a new denim jacket for $100 Canadian OR I could buy a leather jacket for $120. Which would you buy? Fine, fine denim, or awful, stinky leather? How in the name of Molsen can two different products not be priced identically if both happen to be jackets, each fully appropriate for funerals,weddings, or job interviews?

 

[astroNikon]

Hmmm...C$2700 list plus C$400 for the almost-mandatory grip!? Best price on a D810 this a.m. is C$2900. Which would you buy?

Quick, let's blame Nikon for Canada's week dollar, like camera guru writer is doing!

The almost-mandatory grip, eh? Wait, what is the price of the almost-mandatory grip for the D810,eh?

Wait, lemme see if I understand: I could buy a new denim jacket for $100 Canadian OR I could buy a leather jacket for $120. Which would you buy? Fine, fine denim, or awful, stinky leather? How in the name of Molsen can two different products not be priced identically if both happen to be jackets, each fully appropriate for funerals,weddings, or job interviews?

Is it ironic that their currency is called the "Loonie"
Look for further erosion. With their oil sands going belly up we'll see what else happens
==> Canadian dollar sinks below 71¢ as analysts warn of further corrosion

 

[Braineack]

The almost-mandatory grip, eh? Wait, what is the price of the almost-mandatory grip for the D810,eh?

the madatory D500 grip is $399 USD (MD-B17). the non-mandatory D810 grip is $350 USD (MD-B12).

so you can clearly see how the D500 is actually $400 closer in price to the D810.