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I've shot with many systems over the years... Pentax/Asahi/Takumar, 67, 645 , Canon EOS, Leica M (current), and now compliment with the Olympus OMD micro 4/3rds. Each brings to the table many advantages and disadvantages. One thing that hasn't changed much, is the enjoyment of simply having a capable compact camera that can be whipped out at any moment for some memory rich photos. In fact, the vast majority of my elder son's early life was documented with one. In the digital years, it started with the Sony U10 and progressed to a long history with Canon G series which later surpassed by Panasonics; the wide fast LX3 paired with a TZ5 super zoom. These days, the high end P&S has been pretty much replaced by the micro 4/3rds system. With the exception of the U10, none of them were really "pocketable" anyways. My E-PL1 with a 20mm is actually about the same size and more capable. Never the less, I found myself researching one night a replacement for my aging Panasonic TZ5... a "whatever daily camera". The TZ5 has been fun and even posted a few photos here and there many not noticing the subtle trademarks of a P&S photo. Whatever I ended up, I'd like it to smaller and lighter. What I liked about the TZ5 was it fell neatly in the class of a "travel zoom" camera... the super zooms of the P&S world.
Enter Sony... wha? Never thought I would buy a Sony but the WX300 was a compelling choice. Good reviews, a huge 20x zoom, and packaged in the smallest body in its class. Smaller.. check.. Lighter.. check. "Travel Zoom".. check. I've had the camera for about 1 week now...
I know this is a photographic forum so its important to realize that expectations need to be set. This is a consumer level P&S... NOT even a high end P&S. Yes.. it has a tiny sensor. This also means limit controls and lots of AUTO everything. Then again so was my TZ5.... learned to let the camera do its thing and simply shoot. So why am I dedicating a thread to this lowly P&S... because no one else did and someone may find this useful. P&S discussions only occur occasionally and reviews even rarer... understandably, higher end equipment are more interesting.
So what do I like about it..
* First and foremost, its size. This thing is TINY... its amazing they managed to fit a decent 20x zoom optic inside. Its noticeably lighter when compared to my TZ5. It slides right into my pants pocket and doesn't feel like its pulling them down.
* Autofocus in good light was pretty good. Occasionally, it would hunt in lower light at the long end of the zoom. Hi/Lo continuous with various timers. Hi is fast but only 10 frames per shot before it stops to unload to the card. It has the ability to track on a selected point. Useful for recomposition. For those that like face detection.. its there too.
* In P mode, you can set AF to Muti, center and Spot. You can also set Metering to Multi, center spot for somewhat control over high contrast scenes.
* It is WiFi capable for both control and transfer of photos to my Android phone/tablet by turning itself into a hotspot (requires Playmemories Sony App). I can easily process and post photos online from my phone without having to physically connect.
* Connected via WiFi hotspot also allows one to view and trigger the shutter from a phone. Shooting at odd angles, remotely triggered, and even shot some interesting shots way above my head using an extended monopod was easy and enjoyable.
* It controls noise quite a bit better than my TZ5 all the way up to ISO 1600. It has a "SCN" high ISO mode that takes quite a few photos very quickly and works them together to produce a "cleaner" image that seems to hold a great amount of detail.
* ISO 80 to 400 is pretty darn clean.
* It has lots of "creative" modes that are actually useful. Many of them take multiple photos in one trigger and use the subsequent frames to post process the image.
* Obviously the 20x optic zoom makes for a flexible "all around" useful camera. Equivalent range of 25-500mm.
* I didn't see much CA/purple fringing. Many did report some on the long end...
* For video, it can do 1920 x 1080 in AVCHD. I'm not a video person, but it seemed very good quality. Certainly better than I expected.
* From the aesthetics side, its design looks very much like its very popular bigger brother... the RX100. I kinda like it. Comes in white and red if you wish...
* Its small, so many will find it kinda too small. I have small hands and still find myself blocking the flash. (Livable considering I like its small size).
* Build feels good. Metal here and there. Higher than the typical P&S camera.
* On and off operation is ok... not speedy but not slow either.
* Battery life is pretty good. They claim 500 shots per charge. All I know is that I shot two days during family outings without running out. An extra Sony battery is $50 bucks.. .
* IQ is pretty darn good for a P&S. (Samples to follow).
What I didn't like. Mostly the same stuff that comes with the expected limitations of a consumer level P&S camera.
* P mode doesn't have Aperture/shutter shift. It does have exposure compensation +/- 2
* No flash exposure compensation.
* No real macro mode.<< BOO!
* WIfi control does not expose the full feature set to the android phone. For example, I couldn't take panoramas while remotely controlling the camera.
* no Raw.. blah blah blah... ok expected for this class of camera
* no Manual/AV/TV modes blah blah blah blah.. ok again.. expected for this class camera.
* In certain modes, one/two of the 4 way directional buttons are not functional. When pressed, it pops a message saying this is not applicable in this mode. WTF? Why not just map it to another function and keep it useful? For example, in P mode... map the down button (which does nothing) to EV compensation. Saves me the trouble of traversing the menu to set it AND it is pretty much the only user control provided for exposure control. So its pretty guaranteed to be a frequent used function in P mode.
* No charger.. .seems to be the same for the RX1 and RX100. Why Sony?
* 10 frame on Hi continuos limit.. faster card doesn't improve on this.
The main competitor to the WX300 is the Canon SX280HS. If you want a bit more control, the SX280HS is the super-zoom P&S for you. However, its noticeably larger than the WX300. Of course, most here would be happier with the higher end models with faster optics, better control, and better features. Cameras such as the G15, RX100, Canon S110, Fuji X20, etc.. but non of them offer the same zoom range.
ISO 1600 (SCN hi ISO mode)
ISO 80 in "Background defocus mode". Simulates shallow DOF but can be a pain to use because subject distance is specific (it tells you). The subject distance requirement changes as a function of the focal length. Takes a bit of practice an eye to estimate subject distance. I'm a brain stuck American, Sony doesn't seem to provide a setting to change metric to english.
. So the required subject distance message is always in metric (meter/cm). Sony should know what Internationalization and Localization means in software. This sample has defocus set to HI and I think the defocus is over done. I think I probably tone it down and try some more samples before deciding whether or not it is useful. You can set it to Lo, Med, and Hi. Sony feels this mode is important enough to dedicate a notch to it on the main dial...
Standard rez panorama in ISO 1600. Easily accessible via a turn of the main dial setting. The WX300 gives you a lot of options in regards to panorama shooting. Three wide settings plus a High resolution mode.
High resolution Panorama at ISO 250
Another ISO 1600 in P mode (non high ISO Scene mode)
Another ISO 1600 in SCN high ISO mode
ISO 80 sample
ISO 800 sample
Next three are some mushrooms I found growing outside.. ISO 80 processed in LR
Enter Sony... wha? Never thought I would buy a Sony but the WX300 was a compelling choice. Good reviews, a huge 20x zoom, and packaged in the smallest body in its class. Smaller.. check.. Lighter.. check. "Travel Zoom".. check. I've had the camera for about 1 week now...
I know this is a photographic forum so its important to realize that expectations need to be set. This is a consumer level P&S... NOT even a high end P&S. Yes.. it has a tiny sensor. This also means limit controls and lots of AUTO everything. Then again so was my TZ5.... learned to let the camera do its thing and simply shoot. So why am I dedicating a thread to this lowly P&S... because no one else did and someone may find this useful. P&S discussions only occur occasionally and reviews even rarer... understandably, higher end equipment are more interesting.
So what do I like about it..
* First and foremost, its size. This thing is TINY... its amazing they managed to fit a decent 20x zoom optic inside. Its noticeably lighter when compared to my TZ5. It slides right into my pants pocket and doesn't feel like its pulling them down.
* Autofocus in good light was pretty good. Occasionally, it would hunt in lower light at the long end of the zoom. Hi/Lo continuous with various timers. Hi is fast but only 10 frames per shot before it stops to unload to the card. It has the ability to track on a selected point. Useful for recomposition. For those that like face detection.. its there too.
* In P mode, you can set AF to Muti, center and Spot. You can also set Metering to Multi, center spot for somewhat control over high contrast scenes.
* It is WiFi capable for both control and transfer of photos to my Android phone/tablet by turning itself into a hotspot (requires Playmemories Sony App). I can easily process and post photos online from my phone without having to physically connect.
* Connected via WiFi hotspot also allows one to view and trigger the shutter from a phone. Shooting at odd angles, remotely triggered, and even shot some interesting shots way above my head using an extended monopod was easy and enjoyable.
* It controls noise quite a bit better than my TZ5 all the way up to ISO 1600. It has a "SCN" high ISO mode that takes quite a few photos very quickly and works them together to produce a "cleaner" image that seems to hold a great amount of detail.
* ISO 80 to 400 is pretty darn clean.
* It has lots of "creative" modes that are actually useful. Many of them take multiple photos in one trigger and use the subsequent frames to post process the image.
* Obviously the 20x optic zoom makes for a flexible "all around" useful camera. Equivalent range of 25-500mm.
* I didn't see much CA/purple fringing. Many did report some on the long end...
* For video, it can do 1920 x 1080 in AVCHD. I'm not a video person, but it seemed very good quality. Certainly better than I expected.
* From the aesthetics side, its design looks very much like its very popular bigger brother... the RX100. I kinda like it. Comes in white and red if you wish...
* Its small, so many will find it kinda too small. I have small hands and still find myself blocking the flash. (Livable considering I like its small size).
* Build feels good. Metal here and there. Higher than the typical P&S camera.
* On and off operation is ok... not speedy but not slow either.
* Battery life is pretty good. They claim 500 shots per charge. All I know is that I shot two days during family outings without running out. An extra Sony battery is $50 bucks.. .
* IQ is pretty darn good for a P&S. (Samples to follow).
What I didn't like. Mostly the same stuff that comes with the expected limitations of a consumer level P&S camera.
* P mode doesn't have Aperture/shutter shift. It does have exposure compensation +/- 2
* No flash exposure compensation.
* No real macro mode.<< BOO!
* WIfi control does not expose the full feature set to the android phone. For example, I couldn't take panoramas while remotely controlling the camera.
* no Raw.. blah blah blah... ok expected for this class of camera
* no Manual/AV/TV modes blah blah blah blah.. ok again.. expected for this class camera.
* In certain modes, one/two of the 4 way directional buttons are not functional. When pressed, it pops a message saying this is not applicable in this mode. WTF? Why not just map it to another function and keep it useful? For example, in P mode... map the down button (which does nothing) to EV compensation. Saves me the trouble of traversing the menu to set it AND it is pretty much the only user control provided for exposure control. So its pretty guaranteed to be a frequent used function in P mode.
* No charger.. .seems to be the same for the RX1 and RX100. Why Sony?
* 10 frame on Hi continuos limit.. faster card doesn't improve on this.
The main competitor to the WX300 is the Canon SX280HS. If you want a bit more control, the SX280HS is the super-zoom P&S for you. However, its noticeably larger than the WX300. Of course, most here would be happier with the higher end models with faster optics, better control, and better features. Cameras such as the G15, RX100, Canon S110, Fuji X20, etc.. but non of them offer the same zoom range.
ISO 1600 (SCN hi ISO mode)
ISO 80 in "Background defocus mode". Simulates shallow DOF but can be a pain to use because subject distance is specific (it tells you). The subject distance requirement changes as a function of the focal length. Takes a bit of practice an eye to estimate subject distance. I'm a brain stuck American, Sony doesn't seem to provide a setting to change metric to english.
. So the required subject distance message is always in metric (meter/cm). Sony should know what Internationalization and Localization means in software. This sample has defocus set to HI and I think the defocus is over done. I think I probably tone it down and try some more samples before deciding whether or not it is useful. You can set it to Lo, Med, and Hi. Sony feels this mode is important enough to dedicate a notch to it on the main dial...
Standard rez panorama in ISO 1600. Easily accessible via a turn of the main dial setting. The WX300 gives you a lot of options in regards to panorama shooting. Three wide settings plus a High resolution mode.
High resolution Panorama at ISO 250
Another ISO 1600 in P mode (non high ISO Scene mode)
Another ISO 1600 in SCN high ISO mode
ISO 80 sample
ISO 800 sample
Next three are some mushrooms I found growing outside.. ISO 80 processed in LR
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