Rule concerning social networking links

[KenC]

I agree with 12sndsgood. The best general rule is: "if you don't like it, just ignore it." I'm surprised at how much time people spend on here contributing to meaningless drama.

 

[kathyt]

I think we need a group hug.

 

[runnah]

I vote for a new section that is a lawless land full of hate and discontent. Memes would be allowed, foul language encouraged and nudity required.

 

[unpopular]

/p/

 

[pixmedic]

As long as they have big watermarks on their FB pics and a cool "suchandsuchprophotograghy" name I think they should be exempt and protected from any and all bashings.

As mods/admin of the site we also have to take the line of do we want "bashings" as part of the social structure of the site we are aiming to manage. I certainly do not want to see the forums, or a segment of them, slip into the practice of hunting down and bashing on random people around the world just because it can be done.

really? if you dont want "bashings" as part of the social structure of this site, you might as well do away with C&C all together.
we all see what happens when someone posts pictures with technical issues. for every one or two actual useful critiques, there is a dozen that descend like vultures with nothing more to offer than a condescending , snarky comment. in the latest thread that you are referring to, Charlie did post on her FB page, but actually gave honest, sincere, and pretty polite C&C, AND linked a great book. told her how to fix issues with several of her pictures. and what did he get for his trouble on a FB page that STATES she wants public opinion? Bitched at by the photog, and physically threatened by her brother. no good deed goes unpunished.

And honestly, how is the site going to add outside site bashing to its list of things to "patrol" here, when there is plenty of in house bashing going on that usually just amounts to the OP being told to get "thicker skin"...if that's the case, the facebook community can do the same. people link to stuff here all the time. and linking to pictures is allowed, so its no different to just link to a picture that happens to be posted on FB, and if a discussion ensues from it, I fail to see how it is much different than the normal goings on around here.

i am NOT advocating bashing anyones work, or site...i AM saying that if you want to start regulating the bashing...start with our own. (yea, i know threads do get closed for it...but it usually has to get to such a terrible state before that happens, that by the end it hardly mattered. and there seems to be no repercussions for doing it on a regular basis)

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Charlie did post on her FB page, but actually gave honest, sincere, and pretty polite C&C, AND linked a great book. told her how to fix issues with several of her pictures. and what did he get for his trouble on a FB page that STATES she wants public opinion? Bitched at by the photog, and physically threatened by her brother. no good deed goes unpunished.

Now Charlie is the victim? That's rich!

 

[snowbear]

I vote for a new section that is a lawless land full of hate and discontent. Memes would be allowed, foul language encouraged and nudity required.

Sounds like parts of Capitol Hill, after hours.

 

[unpopular]

really? if you dont want "bashings" as part of the social structure of this site, you might as well do away with C&C all together.

Most people don't even know what a critique is.

Call me an elitist, but I'd love to see a rule in place that says you must have at least attended an upper division art class before you can critique. I'll be the first to hand over my transcript.

As much as I'm a postmodernist, this whole democratization of art has been a disaster!

 

[rexbobcat]

Most people don't even know what a critique is.

Call me an elitist, but I'd love to see a rule in place that says you must have at least attended an upper division art class before you can critique. I'll be the first to hand over my transcript.

As much as I'm a postmodernist, this whole democratization of art has been a disaster!

Isn't that teetering on the whole "you don't need a degree to be a photographer" argument?

I mean, I've taken numerous college math classes but I don't know **** about math lol. Didn't retain much at all.

 

[rexbobcat]

Now Charlie is the victim? That's rich!

No one is the victim.

 

[unpopular]

Most people don't even know what a critique is.

Call me an elitist, but I'd love to see a rule in place that says you must have at least attended an upper division art class before you can critique. I'll be the first to hand over my transcript.

As much as I'm a postmodernist, this whole democratization of art has been a disaster!

Isn't that teetering on the whole "you don't need a degree to be a photographer" argument?

I mean, I've taken numerous college math classes but I don't know **** about math lol. Didn't retain much at all.

Yeah. But art school has a tendency of toughening you up a bit. Not that I've never gotten all butt hurt before, but usually it's because people make stupid one-liner comments like "it's boring". Pretty sure the one liners aren't coming from people who've taken art classes. In my experience that would never fly in a crit.

 

[Nikmal]

I am of the opinion that if you are just messing around with photos for fun, no big deal. When you start charging people money and touting yourself as professional, game on.

should we be out there tracking these people down? No, probably not.

Let me ask a devil's advocate question here. If I were to say charge a person for a photograph that they happen to like, and I took on a mischance that just came together and made for a good photo. That makes me a professional now?

To me a professional is a matter of... I am getting paid to do weddings and or portraits or even doing it for art display and galleries. If I call myself professional and am selling photo's on a regular basis and am able to support myself for the most part using my photography does it make me a professional. Until then I am only a semi-pro to an advanced novice.

If someone comes on here and comments that someone on Facebook is touting pictures that are terrible, that does not give us the right to go there and then bash them in the guise of giving advice whether good or not, when it is vindictive, is still a form of cyber bullying.

I came here because you all seemed to be a good bunch of people that meant well. When I saw that thread I have thought better then posting any picture here now or in the future based on just what was said in that thread. Just because the person supposedly sold some pictures does NOT make them a pro or even if they want to protect their pictures with a watermark with such and such photography, does not make them a professional. I am sorry but even IF they are a professional by all definitions. It still does not give us the right to go to their facebook page and bash them. This is a photography site. No one person is better then anyone else on here. As it is ALL subjective. If this site wants to promote such behavior I would leave in a heart beat and find somewhere else to go and am damn close to doing so already.
It is not okay to go and bash someone just because as an individual people think that they are not good at taking pictures. They are putting themselves out there and trying. If they come here and ask for advice, give it to them.. but that does not mean that said advice has to be vindictive or mean either. It should be given with constructive criticism and grace.. not political correctness as it should be the the truth.

Keep in mind too that words typed do not convey emotion very well either on here or anywhere. It is up to us to make sure that the right context is coming across in the words we type. I tend to use emoticons alot to convey said emotion, that is me.

When you say "game-on" when it comes to someone that supposedly sells a photo once in a while and think it is ok to say what ever to them... that too is cyber bullying and bad form. This is not a game nor is it a contest. Just because someone does something that you do not agree makes for a professional quality... does not mean that you should call them on it and say it is crap to you and that they should improve or else type of thing. If you do that.. then you are the problem with why people should not come here.

 

[Nikmal]

As long as they have big watermarks on their FB pics and a cool "suchandsuchprophotograghy" name I think they should be exempt and protected from any and all bashings.

As mods/admin of the site we also have to take the line of do we want "bashings" as part of the social structure of the site we are aiming to manage. I certainly do not want to see the forums, or a segment of them, slip into the practice of hunting down and bashing on random people around the world just because it can be done.

Is telling the truth, and offering good advice bashing? (even if the advice is ignored?)

No telling the truth and offering good advice is not bashing in and of itself. But when it is NOT given in a constructive manner then yes it can be a form of bashing, depending on the context. Most of what was said in the thread in question I could easily say, was very much so bashing.

 

[Nikmal]

I am of the opinion that if you are just messing around with photos for fun, no big deal. When you start charging people money and touting yourself as professional, game on.

should we be out there tracking these people down? No, probably not.

BULLSEYE! You accept money... you are open for comment.... IMO

I do not get this type of attitude. This to me comes across as, I am the photo police and you took money for a photo so YOU get what YOU deserve. Who made you the photo police?? Just because they took money does NOT make them a professional. It makes them an advanced novice at the very least. It is attitudes like yours that prevent me from wanting any "advice" from you. If you are the shining example of the person that frequents this site then I will look else where for advice. If your attitude is not at all vindictive then you might want to rephrase your words to a not confrontational manner. But until then... man I think that there is a problem that needs to be looked at here.

 

[Nikmal]

If it is posted on a public forum.. it is public information. So are we being told that we can't post publicly available information on the forum? Wow... I hear Jackboots around the corner... run for your lives.... big brother is coming.....

Actually this is NOT a public forum. There is a Terms of Service agreement that we all agree to in coming here and posting. This is a private forum with moderators and they can remove postings they do not agree with and there for Freedom of Speech does NOT apply here. I have to agree with unpopular!!!