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[dxqcanada5]

So if someone were to say to you,
"no offence, but my dog's taken better pictures than that, don't blame the equipment, blame the user"
you'd be perfectly okay with it, and consider it "good C&C?"

If I got a majority of replies that way ... then I would seriously think of getting a dog.
Yes, I would consider it honest C&C.

"Your first 10,000 photographs are your worst." – Henri Cartier-Bresson

 

[Overread36]

So if someone were to say to you,
"no offence, but my dog's taken better pictures than that, don't blame the equipment, blame the user"
you'd be perfectly okay with it, and consider it "good C&C?"

Nope - best defence against that though is to ask the person to expand upon their comment. You'll always get people who give short, sharp crits that don't convey any info save that the person comment did/did not like your creation. Asking them to expand upon their point gives them the oppertunity to turn their comment into something more meaningful that you can use -- or they just stay silent and you continue on with your life

If its someone I know being cheeky they get a smiley face :greenpbl:

"blame the user"

This is a point on wording - I dislike the idea that one blames the user OR the equipment. In my mind its not a case of assigning blame toward something, but finding the reason for the lack of the ideal result. Finding the reason isn't about blame culture, but about learning and getting an idea of where something has gone less than ideal. This is a less negative approach toward things than "blame"*


* whilst we are not each others mothers online there to give unthinking maternal support - we are all here because we enjoy the same hobby and wish to share that with others of a similar mind. As such whilst we should be honest and critical (when needed of course) we should also seek not to undermine each others personalities nor creations. Its a fine line between critical comments that are critical but supportive and those which are simply more abusive (the excuse that it is the "harsh real world truth" carries no worth in my book).

 

[itf]

Even >I< thought the iPhone and "blame the user" comments were pretty obnoxious.

I said what I said because in ALMOST every thread that he starts, he keeps bringing up the fact that he doesn't have a dslr, so he can't get good pictures. I wasn't being obnoxious and hey I'M not the one asking for advice, so I have no need to post any of my pictures, nor did I say that my pictures were good. I'm just stating the fact that it's the user not the camera.

Can I hit someone with my car because I left it in D, and say that oh i forgot to shift it to park, so its not my fault. That's kind of like what he's doing. You can't blame the car for your mistake.

 

[fokker]

Guns don't kill people, robbers do.

 

[SabrinaO]

Pictures... SOOiP
(Straight out of iphone)

 

[JWellman]

Point & Shoot... until a year ago it's all I had! Don't let your camera be your excuse. :meh:

 

[Stryker]

Pictures... SOOiP
(Straight out of iphone)

Oh wow!!! I think I'll get an Iphone as my back up camera. Shot outdoors and with ample ambient light. I guess you have to challenge Sabrina with your next post and prove that your camera is better than her Iphone.

Can we just C&C the Iphone shots instead???

 

[RedWylder]

Definitely one picture a week. Everyday is overhwhelming especially if the same advice is needed over and over. Try focusing on seeing the things that we would say in your pictures. Give yourself a critique and then post your best shot every week.

:thumbdown:
One picture a week? Sorry.. but who are you? He shouldn't have to limit himself. If he wants to show off 50 pics a week he should have the option to. Just like how you have the option to not look or respond to his posts.
I like his drive. He just needs to listen to constructive criticism and open his eyes.

You are of course very right to call me out on this but as others have said he does need to learn to self filter which was my point really. Self filtering is one of the best tools an artist has and should learn to filter through his photos himself before posting them. He needs to learn to see his own small improvements in every picture because an outside audience isn't bound to look for the small things he may have been working on. We just see the overall picture.

@Kevin-really don't give up, you're doing good work and you ARE making improvements but it seems you need to learn to see these for yourself. Be proud of the steps you've made this far.

 

[Stryker]

Aw, Red, you are so sweet...

 

[o hey tyler]

:thumbdown:
One picture a week? Sorry.. but who are you? He shouldn't have to limit himself. If he wants to show off 50 pics a week he should have the option to. Just like how you have the option to not look or respond to his posts.
I like his drive. He just needs to listen to constructive criticism and open his eyes.

OH WOW.

 

[RedWylder]

Aw, Red, you are so sweet...

A little too much? haha Must be all that sugary cereal I ate this morning...

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

He just needs to listen to constructive criticism and open his eyes.

Oh, the IRONY!

 

[vtf]

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[KevinPutman]

How about we get someone with the exact same setup as the images I posted in this thread..same lighting, same backdrop, etc etc etc.
And see what kind of shots they pull off with their iPhone?

Sure, anyone can get better pictures than the ones in this thread, with any type of camera..IF they're taken in the right place/time/setup/composition, etc etc etc.
A picture of some elegant flowers, will ALWAYS look better than me testing out some lighting on my bunny, in my room, on my blanket, with some crappy house lighting.

So sure,
you can get better pictures of a beautiful sunset, or the Grand Canyons, or a waterfall on your iPhone.
But in this place, and situation, no. You can't.

 

[Geaux]

How about we get someone with the exact same setup as the images I posted in this thread..same lighting, same backdrop, etc etc etc.
And see what kind of shots they pull off with their iPhone?

Sure, anyone can get better pictures than the ones in this thread, with any type of camera..IF they're taken in the right place/time/setup/composition, etc etc etc.
A picture of some elegant flowers, will ALWAYS look better than me testing out some lighting on my bunny, in my room, on my blanket, with some crappy house lighting.

So sure,
you can get better pictures of a beautiful sunset, or the Grand Canyons, or a waterfall on your iPhone.
But in this place, and situation, no. You can't.

lol, dude.

Bold #1: The shot would still be junk b/c the lighting, etc was not good. No matter what camera. Goes back to understanding exposure....which you don't seem to grasp, yet.

Bold #2: "IF they're taken in the right place/time/setup/composition, etc etc etc" ... isn't that what you should strive for on all your images?

And every time I read your attitude driven responses ... I think of this image.