sony a77

[o hey tyler]

I appreciate you testing this on your testing this on your camera. The results your giving would be acceptable for me if they were on the a77. Even with the advertising specs ie 14 shot buffer the a77 is the worst of the enthusiast level cameras. Canon 7d 8fps 100+ shot buffer Nikon d300s 8fps @50 shot buffer.

One of the major problems of the a55 and a33 when they first came out was that after some one did a full burst in the high speed mode the camera completely locked up for several seconds while the buffer cleared. With the later firmware updates that problem was fixed. Now they throttle back the burst rate when the buffer is full.

I wish someone with a a77 would do this same test and post the results.

The a55 and a33 had that issue. They said the sensor overheats quickly.. But if you turn the IS off, you can shoot longer in full burst. The issue has been fixed in a35. When I rented my a77, I tried doing a full burst 12fps but for only like maybe 15-20 seconds and stopped. That's all I can tell bro. I just wanted to try out the 12fps but didn't want to break my rented camera.

You didn't want to break a camera that is "capable" (I said capable, not good) of shooting 12fps which is in the scope of normal operation?

OH JEEZE GUYS I DON'T WANT TO SHOOT THE 7D AT 8FPS BECAUSE THE SHUTTER MIGHT BREAK. IT'S NOT ENGINEERED TO DO THAT KINDA STUFF GUYZZZ.

Granted, the 12fps is kind of useless because you have to be in a fully auto mode to use the 12fps. The parameters of the auto mode lock the exposure for the first shot, and expose the frames at 12FPS based off of the first exposure. So if the metering is off in the first shot, it's off for the entire burst. Or if you are following a subject from bright sun, to shade you'll just have an underexposed series once they get into the shaded area.

SICK FEATURE. Totally ditching my FF Canon gear and fast primes to use an A77 w/ 12FPS continuous drive at ISO1600 or above. You know, because the noise handling is REALLY GOOD... And then I can turn all the images into HDRs IN CAMERA! Because that's a really valuable feature for professional photographers in the field! THEY ALL WANT DAT HDR @ 12FPS BRO.

OH WAIT, I can make 3D photos! Another thing that ALL PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHERS care about! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

 

[unpopular]

Carl Zeiss glass put the Nikon and Canon glass to their place

Zeiss offers lenses for both canon and Nikon. And a lot of zeiss glass for Sony gets horrible reviews. But the fact that there's Nikon glass for canon and Nikon as well as the normal pro offerings puts sony in more than its place

This was a big motivator for me to go into sony - and while the Zeiss glass appears extremely good, it does seem to be missing a certain "something" as compared to my Contax Zeiss lenses. Also Zeiss has always excelled at fast primes, of which there is a relatively limited selection for Sony. I also kind of feel that these premium lenses are a bit marked up, just for the name's sake. For comparison, a CZ Contax 50/1.4 planar cost me only $300 new, 28/2.8 Distagon something like $600, used - that is, iirc.

 

[unpopular]

As for HDR in camera, I won't buy it until the camera spits out a 32-bit OpenEXR.

 

[argieramos]

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can be obtained with a mirrorless

But slower

Who cares?

Don't care about having a fast video AF? Don't you like good stuff?

can be obtained with a mirrorless

But slower

Can be obtained with a traditional SLR in mirror lockup, and again, mirrorless

But you can use MLU without something like a tripod. SLT never suffers from mirror slap.

statement about dslrs has nothing to do with mirrorless cameras. In the end SLTs are the worst of both world.

True, But I was just using Nex-7 as an example because it uses the same sensor as the a77. Actually, in the end, SLR technology will be the worst. The advantages of SLT over the SLR are too great compare the SLR to SLT. a77 proved it.

Perhaps true but I kind of doubt it. Though this statement shows how little you know about what makes a good camera a good camera. detail and dynamic range are far from features which appeal to "pixel peepers". They are what makes a camera.

What makes a good camera a good camera is not the camera itself. It is the one behind the camera. I don't know why you troll too much and bragging about how bad the a77 ignoring the fact that it outperformed most camera on the market.

 

[unpopular]

What makes a good camera a good camera is not the camera itself. It is the one behind the camera.

Ok I get it. You're trying to drive me away with dopey cliches.

I am not "bragging" about anything. My point has always been that without the stationary mirror reflecting away up to 1/2 stop light the camera would perform better; it's a matter of physics, more signal means more information about the subject over noisy information about signal processing and thermal dissipation. It's the technology itself that I have a problem with, not any one particular camera.

 

[argieramos]

Ok I get it. You're trying to drive me away with dopey cliches.

I am not "bragging" about anything. My point has always been that without the stationary mirror reflecting away up to 1/2 stop light the camera would perform better it's a matter of physics. It's the technology itself that I have a problem with.

Everyone knows that. But you have to understand 1/2 stop is not that much if you consider the advantages that you will gain in return. Even after the light loss, a77 output result is better than most camera on the market.

 

[unpopular]

Regardless how little 1/2 stop may be, it's something. I'm waiting on the 7 myself

 

[o hey tyler]

Ok I get it. You're trying to drive me away with dopey cliches.

I am not "bragging" about anything. My point has always been that without the stationary mirror reflecting away up to 1/2 stop light the camera would perform better it's a matter of physics. It's the technology itself that I have a problem with.

Everyone knows that. But you have to understand 1/2 stop is not that much if you consider the advantages that you will gain in return. Even after the light loss, a77 output result is better than most camera on the market.

Yeah, a 1/2 stop is not a lot. Tell that to someone that actually cares about their photos. A 1/2 stop is a lot.

 

[unpopular]

But in all fairness, what you'd loose in shadow latitude you'd make up in hilight latitude, right? You could push the hilights up one half stop further, and the shadows would follow. No different than an 05 ND?

If you meter the way I do, it may not make too much of a difference. But hardly nobody does, including the AE programs and fancypants multisegmented evaluative meters that most people prefer these days.

While I agree that 1/2 stop is significant, it's not that much time when you're considering shutter speed - plus doesn't the a77 have in body IS?

As for noise, perhaps I am wrong - but ONLY if you expose to the maximum right - something most aren't willing to do. Still, having something between my lens and the film plane makes me a bit queazy just in principle.

 

[argieramos]

You didn't want to break a camera that is "capable" (I said capable, not good) of shooting 12fps which is in the scope of normal operation?

OH JEEZE GUYS I DON'T WANT TO SHOOT THE 7D AT 8FPS BECAUSE THE SHUTTER MIGHT BREAK. IT'S NOT ENGINEERED TO DO THAT KINDA STUFF GUYZZZ.

Granted, the 12fps is kind of useless because you have to be in a fully auto mode to use the 12fps. The parameters of the auto mode lock the exposure for the first shot, and expose the frames at 12FPS based off of the first exposure. So if the metering is off in the first shot, it's off for the entire burst. Or if you are following a subject from bright sun, to shade you'll just have an underexposed series once they get into the shaded area.

SICK FEATURE. Totally ditching my FF Canon gear and fast primes to use an A77 w/ 12FPS continuous drive at ISO1600 or above. You know, because the noise handling is REALLY GOOD... And then I can turn all the images into HDRs IN CAMERA! Because that's a really valuable feature for professional photographers in the field! THEY ALL WANT DAT HDR @ 12FPS BRO.

OH WAIT, I can make 3D photos! Another thing that ALL PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHERS care about! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

oh jeez, everything might break even if its designed to do something what its made to do. If you borrowed a Dodge Viper (no insurance), would you even dare to keep your gas pedal down and hurt the engine, or might crash with it? lol
Since you mentioned "professional" you should have seen the concept of the 12fps. The perfect settings will not be the same as the the subject/camera moves. Tracking down a subject, the camera gives the setting that it thinks its good, while doing the burst fps. It is designed to capture every moment. If you want a full control, you can do it with 8fps. It's not like 8fps is slow for you to cry about this matter. Noise handling is good depending your standard. If the Canon 7D, 60D, T2i, T3i noise is good for you, a77 is also good considering they are pretty much the same when it comes to noise level.

Nobody is as asking you to ditch your FF canon and gears. Don't be a cry baby when it something good come out on the other brand.

 

[argieramos]

Yeah, a 1/2 stop is not a lot. Tell that to someone that actually cares about their photos. A 1/2 stop is a lot.

a lot? well if you are coming fromCanon, it means nothing considering a77 IQ is far better than every single Canon aps-c camera. It is a proven fact.

 

[o hey tyler]

You didn't want to break a camera that is "capable" (I said capable, not good) of shooting 12fps which is in the scope of normal operation?

OH JEEZE GUYS I DON'T WANT TO SHOOT THE 7D AT 8FPS BECAUSE THE SHUTTER MIGHT BREAK. IT'S NOT ENGINEERED TO DO THAT KINDA STUFF GUYZZZ.

Granted, the 12fps is kind of useless because you have to be in a fully auto mode to use the 12fps. The parameters of the auto mode lock the exposure for the first shot, and expose the frames at 12FPS based off of the first exposure. So if the metering is off in the first shot, it's off for the entire burst. Or if you are following a subject from bright sun, to shade you'll just have an underexposed series once they get into the shaded area.

SICK FEATURE. Totally ditching my FF Canon gear and fast primes to use an A77 w/ 12FPS continuous drive at ISO1600 or above. You know, because the noise handling is REALLY GOOD... And then I can turn all the images into HDRs IN CAMERA! Because that's a really valuable feature for professional photographers in the field! THEY ALL WANT DAT HDR @ 12FPS BRO.

OH WAIT, I can make 3D photos! Another thing that ALL PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHERS care about! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

oh jeez, everything might break even if its designed to do something what its made to do. If you borrowed a Dodge Viper (no insurance), would you even dare to keep your gas pedal down and hurt the engine, or might crash with it? lol

Maybe if you weren't so young and naive, you'd understand why this analogy is ridiculous. Cameras are engineered to do certain things, if the camera broke during normal operation of shooting 12fps in full auto mode, the camera wasn't designed well. If you have SO MUCH FAITH in Sony, you would realize that. Something equivalent to driving full speed in a dodge viper without insurance would be borrowing a 1Dmk4 and taking underwater photos with it without an underwater housing.

Since you mentioned "professional" you should have seen the concept of the 12fps. The perfect settings will not be the same as the the subject/camera moves.

This leads me to believe that you don't know very much about metering, and the 12fps continuous drive mode. It's not worth arguing something that you don't understand. Because if you did understand it, you'd also see the limitations of it.

Tracking down a subject, the camera gives the setting that it thinks its good, while doing the burst fps. It is designed to capture every moment.

Yes, it's designed to capture "every moment" of an auto exposed image in JPEG format. Which leaves you with next to nothing in terms of a workable image. If you want to shoot at 8fps in full manual, you'd want to use a DSLR. WHY? Because the EVF can't refresh fast enough to keep track of movement. It's simple physics!

If you want a full control, you can do it with 8fps. It's not like 8fps is slow for you to cry about this matter. Noise handling is good depending your standard. If the Canon 7D, 60D, T2i, T3i noise is good for you, a77 is also good considering they are pretty much the same when it comes to noise level.

Nobody is as asking you to ditch your FF canon and gears. Don't be a cry baby when it something good come out on the other brand.

What other brand released something good? I thought we were talking about the Sony A77 and how bad it was?

 

[mjhoward]

Ok I get it. You're trying to drive me away with dopey cliches.

I am not "bragging" about anything. My point has always been that without the stationary mirror reflecting away up to 1/2 stop light the camera would perform better it's a matter of physics. It's the technology itself that I have a problem with.

Everyone knows that. But you have to understand 1/2 stop is not that much if you consider the advantages that you will gain in return. Even after the light loss, a77 output result is better than most camera on the market.

1/2 stop is 30% of the light. That is a LOT.

 

[mjhoward]

Yeah, a 1/2 stop is not a lot. Tell that to someone that actually cares about their photos. A 1/2 stop is a lot.

a lot? well if you are coming fromCanon, it means nothing considering a77 IQ is far better than every single Canon aps-c camera. It is a proven fact.

You are just as delusional as skieur.

 

[skieur]

From what I read the ISO is the one thing that the canon 7d still beat the a77 at. This is crucial for night photography at concerts. of course 1600 is okay but i really wanted to see sony come out with something that could do 3200 or 6400 with less noise.

Actually if you look at the Canon 7D image side by side with the A77 image on www.imaging-resource.com you will see a slightly better image from the A77 at 6400, although both the Canon 7D and Sony A77 show noise, the random noise from the Canon that shows up as incorrect coloured pixels in the grain is more pronounced in the 7D.

skieur

This is coming from the same person who thought that the A77 outperformed the 5D2 at ISO 1600.

What a joke.

Yes, since photos confirm that it does outperform the 5D2 at ISO 1600 and that is without using its fast frame low light mode.

skieur