sony a77

[argieramos]

biglols

Yea, thats all you can say to me.

 

[argieramos]

At ISO 400, I consider the a350 acceptable for general photography, start around ISO 800 I need to take into account noise. The a350 is a notoriously noisy body, and has always been the complaints about it. If you're accustomed to the a350, then perhaps it makes sense that you don't mind the a77.

Even if the ISO400 is bad for your standard, that's not a hard job for post process,right? Why are you crying about it?

This isn't to say that the a350 is a bad camera, it has excellent image quality below ISO 400, it handles nicely and is a good mid-end body. I'll prob. continue to use my a350 for some time yet since the NEX-7 is not yet available and is a bit expensive for me atm.

A350 having excellent IQ? Then you criticise the a77 which is waaaayyy better in terms of IQ, noise, and everything else that your camera can deliver?

I'm not a hater. A maskless sensor will have considerably lower noise, especially if it's a 3mos sensor, as it has been suggested (though I doubt this). Maskless sensors have SO many advantages over masked sensors that if true, the a99 would be extremely attractive. A masked sensor does all sorts of funny business you're not even aware of.

But you hate the concept of SLT. a99 will be an SLT. You're still going to hate it as a haters always do.

Until a camera spits out a 32 bit EXR, it's not HDR.

I don't know what cameras don't actually. EXR is an open format and any camera which has these silly "hdr" features should have all the resources necessary to generate a real hdr file. It would hardly cost anything to implement this feature.

When you said "we have hdr" I thought you were telling people the auto hdr in-camera. My bad.

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argieramos - go play somewhere else. You're so far out of your league in this thread it's not even funny. Most of us here are adults, and those who are not are able to act like one. We're talking about cameras, not football teams. This isn't your highschool and there isn't any need to be true to your school.

So who in this thread are adults? Derrel who said a77 is not a real camera? Nikon_Josh who keep saying some random crap with no connection to the topic? Tyler who obviously just trolling around? You who only pinpoint the weaknesses of the SLT and ignore all the strengths, look and exaggerate flaws of the technology? If all the advantages of SLT means nothing to you, what makes you think it will be the same for others?
If you guys are actually acting like adults, this arguement wouldn't happen.

 

[unpopular]

1) I don't "do" noise reduction. Some are better than others, but they all suck.

2) My five year old camera is completely irrelevant.

3) Yep, and it is likely that the full frame NEX hybrid will use the same sensor as the a99. If this is the case, then this body would be better for me. Either way, I am pretty sure that a maskless sensor would so greatly out-perform any masked sensor that noise introduced wouldn't be a problem by comparison. STILL that said, IQ would be better if the mirror were not there - and if I had a choice between the same sensor on an uninterrupted image path I'd choose it.

4) you really have no sense of sarcasm, do you?

5) The advantages mean nothing to me, it's true. For one, I prefer manual focus. But that aside, fast AF doesn't mean anything unless the viewfinder can keep up, which I have not seen any evidence that this problem had been fixed except in your seemingly invented assertion that some firmware update had improved the finder's frame rate.

Being that Sony has been making high end video cameras, I don't have any idea what this would be a problem for them. But according to multiple accounts, there is a significant lag between viewfinder feedback and the light entering the lens.

I am opposed to the SLT for the same reason I ETTR. I could expose normally and gain a stop or two in shutter speed. But it is my philosophy to maximize image quality. Placing a pellicle between the film plane and the lens diminishes quality. No matter how much or how little quality is affected or how many features are allowed as a result is insignificant. So long as I have a spot meter, I'm fine.

 

[skieur]

I am sorry, I can't take you seriously. Not that I ever could...

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"lol" I love putting that when replying to you. Because you are a mad fanboy who got nothing to do but to troll around the thread. I am laughing at you son. Get a clue. Just taste your own medicine lol lol lol lol!!!

O hey tyler, I wouldn't worry about this 'CREATURE'. I mean look at his profile photo, he isn't even Human??

Try growing up a little. :thumbdown:

skieur

 

[gsgary]

1) I don't "do" noise reduction. Some are better than others, but they all suck.

2) My five year old camera is completely irrelevant.

3) Yep, and it is likely that the full frame NEX hybrid will use the same sensor as the a99. If this is the case, then this body would be better for me. Either way, I am pretty sure that a maskless sensor would so greatly out-perform any masked sensor that noise introduced wouldn't be a problem by comparison. STILL that said, IQ would be better if the mirror were not there - and if I had a choice between the same sensor on an uninterrupted image path I'd choose it.

4) you really have no sense of sarcasm, do you?

5) The advantages mean nothing to me, it's true. For one, I prefer manual focus. But that aside, fast AF doesn't mean anything unless the viewfinder can keep up, which I have not seen any evidence that this problem had been fixed except in your seemingly invented assertion that some firmware update had improved the finder's frame rate.

Being that Sony has been making high end video cameras, I don't have any idea what this would be a problem for them. But according to multiple accounts, there is a significant lag between viewfinder feedback and the light entering the lens.

I am opposed to the SLT for the same reason I ETTR. I could expose normally and gain a stop or two in shutter speed. But it is my philosophy to maximize image quality. Placing a pellicle between the film plane and the lens diminishes quality. No matter how much or how little quality is affected or how many features are allowed as a result is insignificant. So long as I have a spot meter, I'm fine.

You are right it will not keep up, after trying one there is no way it will keep up with a race motorbike in a fast corner

 

[Nikon_Josh]

Try growing up a little. :thumbdown:

skieur

Coming from a man with a very shaky history and record, supposedly your a top pro and you have been for 50 years and also your mother was a pro who used to take photos of dangerous bears with a 50mm lens! But instead of being at celebrity bashes, you are spending most of your time on this forum making useless arguments about how the Sony A77 is a professional camera.

In reality, you should be in the arctic taking photographs or jumping off trains as you have stated you do in previous posts. Instead your sitting at your computer making up your career as you go along! I will take notice of what you say, when you begin to tell the truth about yourself and begin to be a valid contributor to this forum, instead of being someone who acts as if they are superior to everyone else and like's to put their name at the end of every post acting as if someone here has actually heard of them.

So when someone with a imaginary career accuses me of needing to grow up.. it simply makes me smile. :thumbup:

 

[unpopular]

^^ was that 50mm lens on a 110 camera?

 

[argieramos]

1) I don't "do" noise reduction. Some are better than others, but they all suck.

Then the problem is you. Why do you even do post processing?

Yep, and it is likely that the full frame NEX hybrid will use the same sensor as the a99. If this is the case, then this body would be better for me. Either way, I am pretty sure that a maskless sensor would so greatly out-perform any masked sensor that noise introduced wouldn't be a problem by comparison. STILL that said, IQ would be better if the mirror were not there - and if I had a choice between the same sensor on an uninterrupted image path I'd choose it.

Blah blah blah. No matter how good the sensor will be, you're still going to hate it because the camera is going to be an SLT. As I said before, haters gonna hate. You talk like you ever got your hands on the a77. Low noise is not the a77 strength, but it's far from bad. imagingresource and DXoMark results of the a77 noise performance is about as good as Canon 7D but better image quality. Canon 7D is a good camera, right?

you really have no sense of sarcasm, do you?

Have you try talking to a trash-talker like yourself? Don't blame me if I didn't sense the sarcasm on your comment.

The advantages mean nothing to me, it's true. For one, I prefer manual focus. But that aside, fast AF doesn't mean anything unless the viewfinder can keep up, which I have not seen any evidence that this problem had been fixed except in your seemingly invented assertion that some firmware update had improved the finder's frame rate.who mostly talk trash

You didn't bother looking at my link? Perhaps you didn't try harder doing your research about how the firmware update for the a77 fixed and improved issues? You didn't watch the video where it shows how the a77 managed to capture the high speed bus in 12fps? Did it show any panning issue? You want me to post a youtube video where it shows the ability of the outdated a55 managed to keep up with the high speed plane flying around the sky? Tell me, what subject do you think that the a77 wouldn't be able to keep up? You are the only one whos having a problem. But the funny thing is, you haven't even touch the camera. lol

Being that Sony has been making high end video cameras, I don't have any idea what this would be a problem for them. But according to multiple accounts, there is a significant lag between viewfinder feedback and the light entering the lens.

Bring them all here. Or post a link.

I am opposed to the SLT for the same reason I ETTR. I could expose normally and gain a stop or two in shutter speed. But it is my philosophy to maximize image quality. Placing a pellicle between the film plane and the lens diminishes quality. No matter how much or how little quality is affected or how many features are allowed as a result is insignificant. So long as I have a spot meter, I'm fine.

You are only looking on the fact that it looses light because of the pellicle mirror. But you are not looking on the other fact that even with degrade quality, the result is still better than most camera on the market. IQ of the a77 in ISO1600 is a bit better than 7D and D300s in their ISO100 according to PopPhoto lab test result. What's the point of having a full quality that the sensor can give, if you mis-focus the subject. If faster and full-time AF is not important to you, you don't have to put so much hate words in this thread. a77 has focus peaking which is good for MF users. I bet you don't even know that..

 

[unpopular]

1) I don't "do" noise reduction. Some are better than others, but they all suck.

Then the problem is you. Why do you even do post processing?

Classic!

 

[o hey tyler]

You didn't bother looking at my link? Perhaps you didn't try harder doing your research about how the firmware update for the a77 fixed and improved issues? You didn't watch the video where it shows how the a77 managed to capture the high speed bus in 12fps? Did it show any panning issue? You want me to post a youtube video where it shows the ability of the outdated a55 managed to keep up with the high speed plane flying around the sky? Tell me, what subject do you think that the a77 wouldn't be able to keep up? You are the only one whos having a problem. But the funny thing is, you haven't even touch the camera. lol

Yeah, the A77 managed to catch a bus going a blistering 35 MILES PER HOUR through a residential area at approx 150ft away while almost perpendicular to the front lens element. WOW! That's some real advanced technology. Sony must have spent a couple of hundred dollars devising that neat piece of SLT wizardry.

You realize that we're saying the downside of EVF's involves tracking subjects in LESS THAN IDEAL lighting conditions. Like, where an OVF would do much better, as it has a refresh rate as fast as our eye can see! Do you grasp that, Argie?

 

[jowensphoto]

1) I don't "do" noise reduction. Some are better than others, but they all suck.

Then the problem is you. Why do you even do post processing?

:er:

 

[dxqcanada]

"People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? Can we stop making it, making it horrible for the older people and the kids?...It’s just not right. It’s not right. It’s not, it’s not going to change anything."

- Rodney King

 

[belial]

"People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? Can we stop making it, making it horrible for the older people and the kids?...It’s just not right. It’s not right. It’s not, it’s not going to change anything."

- Rodney King

No

 

[erotavlas]

This thread is eating up all our resources! There's been no activity in other sony threads for two days

 

[argieramos]

Yeah, the A77 managed to catch a bus going a blistering 35 MILES PER HOUR through a residential area at approx 150ft away while almost perpendicular to the front lens element. WOW! That's some real advanced technology. Sony must have spent a couple of hundred dollars devising that neat piece of SLT wizardry.

You realize that we're saying the downside of EVF's involves tracking subjects in LESS THAN IDEAL lighting conditions. Like, where an OVF would do much better, as it has a refresh rate as fast as our eye can see! Do you grasp that, Argie?

You're in denial if that looks like a 35mph speed to you. How about the high speed plane flying around? If the refresh rate drops on less than ideal lighting, tell me how much the drop would be. You're nothing but a big talk who knows nothing. When I rented the a77, i didn't have a problem catching a passing SVT Cobra on a highway in midnight. You are talking about the EVF in general, not specific to EVF of the a77. How about the advantages? Do you know OVF is pretty much useless in extreme darkness? OVF and EVF have their own advantages and weaknesses. It's just a matter of which one is you like better. You need to pick yourself up dude, you fail so hard.