sony a77

[Nikon_Josh]

You havent answer my question. Do you do post process?

DO YOU EVER GO DO SCHOOL????

I just realised something, here I am arguing with a boy who finds it hard to even write properly! It really isn't worth the effort, I think Skieur should take you on as an apprentice though.

 

[unpopular]

^^ at this point I'm just curious where he's heading with this.

 

[skieur]

uh oh

READ: A77 true max ISO and something disturbing about A77 RAW [Page 1]: Sony SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

"A lot of low level processing is built into this sensor according to Sony, so expecting RAW to be real RAW may be a bit over the top. My dedicated astro camera deliver real RAW files, and they are a nightmare to cope with (needing bias, flat, dark and dark for flat frames in addition to the light frames) - so real RAWs from an ordinary camera. No thanks!"


Looking at the RAW and jpeg side by side on the Sony A77, the jpeg is much sharper. The bayer filter on the sensor may be the problem and why Sony is taking it off on the A99. Nevertheless those that are looking at the RAW can and are adding their own spin to their views. Those that are looking at the jpeg are seeing different results.


skieur

 

[unpopular]

Skieur - do you think that the a99 really will be maskless? I've read the rumor that it will be a 3mos. But I am not sure I believe that. What are your thoughts?

 

[skieur]

You havent answer my question. Do you do post process?

Unless you are accusing me of pushing exposure in post, I don't see what difference it should make.

But for the record, I did answer your question. I ETTR, so yes, I do; but any edits I do make are subtractive.

I see. Limited view of the value of postprocessing, eh?

skieur

 

[unpopular]

100% opposite. I see post processing as a continuum of the exposure, and make exposure decisions with this in mind. In fact currently I am working on a system which better integrates exposure and post processing in a way similar to the Zone system.

How did you come to that conclusion?

 

[skieur]

Skieur - do you think that the a99 really will be maskless? I've read the rumor that it will be a 3mos. But I am not sure I believe that. What are your thoughts?

Yes, it will be maskless. I hear more from companies in Canada than what floats around the U.S.

skieur

 

[skieur]

100% opposite.

How did you come to that conclusion?

Easy. Editing is more than just subtractive. The sensor as in any sensor for example has limited range and loses detail in the shadow and low light areas. Those details need to be brought back into the image POSITIVELY through selective brightening. That is just one example. Ted Padova has indicated in his book that ALL digital photos require colour correction in post processing. That is another kind of POSITIVE/ADDITION type of edit. There are more non-subtractive edits possible.

skieur

 

[skieur]

You havent answer my question. Do you do post process?

DO YOU EVER GO DO SCHOOL????

I just realised something, here I am arguing with a boy who finds it hard to even write properly! It really isn't worth the effort, I think Skieur should take you on as an apprentice though.

"Do you ever go DO school?" and you are telling him that he finds it hard to write properly!!!!!!


skieur

 

[unpopular]

Editing is more than just subtractive

Unless you're already exposing as far right as possible, at which point it is very seldom that you actually need to push. Although, I do push highlight fairly frequently - but this is not as problematic as pushing shadows.

As for color correction, this is one thing that drives me nutty about digital photography, I believe that it is possible to do this subtractively and my raw processor allows for this. But that's another topic entirely.

 

[Nikon_Josh]

You havent answer my question. Do you do post process?

DO YOU EVER GO DO SCHOOL????

I just realised something, here I am arguing with a boy who finds it hard to even write properly! It really isn't worth the effort, I think Skieur should take you on as an apprentice though.

"Do you ever go DO school?" and you are telling him that he finds it hard to write properly!!!!!!


skieur

Errr Skieur my old friend.. it was actually me imitating how this man types! The Sarcasm was lost on you quite clearly.

 

[skieur]

Editing is more than just subtractive

Unless you're already exposing as far right as possible, at which point it is very seldom that you actually need to push. Although, I do push highlight fairly frequently - but this is not as problematic as pushing shadows.

As for color correction, this is one thing that drives me nutty about digital photography, I believe that it is possible to do this subtractively and my raw processor allows for this. But that's another topic entirely.

Believe it or not, I can do both in post on jpegs without noise issues.

skieur

 

[unpopular]

The only way this is true is if you don't appreciate the value of post processing.

 

[skieur]

The only way this is true is if you don't appreciate the value of post processing.

With the right plug-ins to Photoshop almost anything is possible.

skieur

 

[unpopular]

lol.

yeah! i don't even know why anyone even bothers to meter anymore. we have HDR!