UFO question - do you believe?

[Artemis]

umm...Maybe you misunderstood...Im not trying to disprove god...Infact I believe strongly in him...Im just saying that the universe is expanding because of the huge explosion forcing it outwords...

 

[ferny]

Is this a good time for me to jump in with my view?

Science is only true until it is proven to be wrong. We're constantly being told "We just discovered that this is the.... Oops, scratch that. As I was talking new tests were run and this is the real... Hang on one moment, I'm getting another message..." You get the point. In 1000 years time, how many of our facts and figure will still be true? Look to what we knew 100 years ago and what we know now. In short, I'll leave it to the people who know what they're talking about to argue about important things whilst I go and make a cup of tea and wonder what to do with the rest of my life.

One thing that I do find interesting though. When scientists say "we started with the big bang" and you ask them what started it, what was involved, what was before, they scratch their heads and look a bit blank.
That same goes for God really. What was around before God, what was there even before that, why did he create us etc, etc.


Still, it starts a good argument.

 

[doxx]

read 'Deception Point' by Dan Brown
and you know what's going on

 

[triggerhappy]

Still, it starts a good argument.

It certainly does that!

Got to be strong.... mustn't get involved.... (repeat to self 100 times)

 

[jadin]

What was around before God, what was there even before that, why did he create us etc, etc.

These seem like rhetorical questions (as in you don't want them answered). But I've answered them many times, even here on this forum. I doubt, however, doing so now would change your opinion. Your mind is firmly made up it seems. (just my observation anyway)

 

[Artemis]

Jadin, I just wanna make sure real quick? This is only a friendly debate? not an argument, I hope you feel the ame way and dont feel like I am arguing wih you.

As for the god, what was before question, to be honest..he was always here, and...even though we cant imagine it, he always will be

 

[jadin]

Yeah, friendly debates can turn sour real fast is all.

I agree, God always was, and will always be. There is no "before god". This concept is extremely hard to grasp for a human, however. Even for someone who firmly believes it. It just makes you want to say 'but.. but..'

 

[Artemis]

Of course it does, to Humans, and I am of no exception, what cannot be imagined by the mind, will not come to pass.

 

[ferny]

Jadin, I just wanna make sure real quick? This is only a friendly debate? not an argument, I hope you feel the ame way and dont feel like I am arguing wih you.

I'm not even debating so it's all friendly from my end.

What was around before God, what was there even before that, why did he create us etc, etc.

These seem like rhetorical questions (as in you don't want them answered). But I've answered them many times, even here on this forum. I doubt, however, doing so now would change your opinion. Your mind is firmly made up it seems. (just my observation anyway)

Although that did seem a bit sharp to me.



You're right, my mind is made up. In the sense that I'm not sure who is true. I believe most science but then I'm not going to say their isn't a God of some type. I don't see why it has to be a case of "there is a god" "no there isn't". Why can't it be a mixture?
They weren't even questions, just me rambling. You'll see that I did the same with regards to science. If you want to explain then do so. I'll read it. It probably won't change my view or beliefs (because I don't even know what they are) but after reading it I'll know that little bit more.


Has anyone (and this is serious) ever considered that we are part of a computer program? There was a program on TV about it a couple of weeks ago. I never saw it but I've had this idea for a couple of years. I went through a stage of being paranoid. Not long after getting the internet and wondering if everyone I was talking to existed or if they were robots.
It's an interest concept.

 

[Artemis]

Personally no...My mind and everyone elses is way to complex to store in a computer

 

[ksmattfish]

A "UFO" is just an unidentified flying object. I've seen weird things in the sky, but I believe them to be of Earth origin. I just don't know what they are. It doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't know what they are.

Carl Sagan (one of my favorite scientists) said something along the lines that it would be almost mathmatically impossible for Earth to be the only home of life in the universe. On the other hand he also said that those same mathmatical odds make the likelyhood of "aliens" finding us here on Earth almost impossible. Our planet compared to the universe is significantly less than a single grain of sand compared to all the beaches in the world.

Assuming they could locate us, the problems of traveling the vast distances make actual visitation unlikely. Like much of our space exploration, they could try to send machines of some sort. Even so it would take a long time. Long distance communication would probably prove more viable than actually meeting in person. Even if we could communicate via laser at light speed, the time between messages would be enormous (measured in centuries).

To me, it seems more likely that if there are flying saucers flitting about, and they don't belong to any known goverment secret military program, then they are mole people from the center of the Earth. As absurd as that sounds, it's probably more possible than visiters from another star system.

Watch the skies! Watch the ground! The mole people are everywhere!!

 

[ksmattfish]

Oh, by the way, if anyone is interested in reading some really bizarre ideas about the big bang, the big crunch, etc... Search for "Frank Tipler" and his theories about the "omega point". Weird stuff, and this guy is a real scientist.

 

[MDowdey]

just remember one key thing....




There is no Spoon.



md

 

[Artemis]

just remember one key thing....




There is no Spoon.



md

He...he...he's right...how could I be so blind all these years?! It makes perfect sense now...MD...how may I ever repay you?

 

[MDowdey]

just remember one key thing....




There is no Spoon.



md

He...he...he's right...how could I be so blind all these years?! It makes perfect sense now...MD...how may I ever repay you?

i take payment in the form of sisters and mothers...bring them to me..



md