A Word About Politeness...

[IByte]

don't worry, infractions come with a note attached to let you know what you did wrong. :mrgreen:

Are we talking about those super passive aggressive posted notes .....mr medic? lol

 

[Victo]

Well said.

 

[cgipson1]

I'm fairly new here and it's a big problem for me to recognize to whom I should/shouldn't listen, because of the reasons sleist mentioned. I just can't understand the huge difference when they are critiquing and when they posting for critique.

Saying names is frowned on.. because that might imply that those not mentioned are not worth listening too. Almost everybody may have something worthwhile to contribute... but you have to figure out where the good stops, and the BS begins.

My thoughts... look at their images... If they talk a good show, but their images suck... are they someone you want to listen to?

 

[cgipson1]

Can you add a Charlie (CGipson) clause? Because, honestly, when he gets going on the Best Buy salesperson selling a Canon Rebel to an instant pro with a Facebook page...it's pure comedic gold.

:hug::

 

[kathyt]

:hail:

Once someone has had a moment to come to terms with the types of personalities that inhabit this place....

Then there are others that talk.

And talk.
And talk.
And talk.

They pretend they know how to shoot and use long winded diatribes to convince others of their prowess behind the camera.
Yet, when they finally put their own work on the line (rarely), it makes one wonder if they even bother to listen to themselves.

I'm fairly new here and it's a big problem for me to recognize to whom I should/shouldn't listen, because of the reasons sleist mentioned. I just can't understand the huge difference when they are critiquing and when they posting for critique.

I guess time will tell... or someone brave enough to say some names :idea:

There are relationships here I don't understand yet and discussions that repeat themselves in almost every thread there, and there are people here I wish they comment but they don't...
All in all this is an interesting place to be in...

I have seen is one post and run threads by noobs asking business questions, noob receiving business advice, and never returning.

yeah... noticed that too

When in doubt go look at their Flickr page and/or website. If they rock....listen a bit more. If they suck....don't.

 

[cgipson1]

:hail:

Once someone has had a moment to come to terms with the types of personalities that inhabit this place....

I'm fairly new here and it's a big problem for me to recognize to whom I should/shouldn't listen, because of the reasons sleist mentioned. I just can't understand the huge difference when they are critiquing and when they posting for critique.

I guess time will tell... or someone brave enough to say some names :idea:

There are relationships here I don't understand yet and discussions that repeat themselves in almost every thread there, and there are people here I wish they comment but they don't...
All in all this is an interesting place to be in...

I have seen is one post and run threads by noobs asking business questions, noob receiving business advice, and never returning.

yeah... noticed that too

When in doubt go look at their Flickr page and/or website. If they rock....listen a bit more. If they suck....don't.

Gorgeous and SMART! :hug::

 

[kathyt]

:hail:






I'm fairly new here and it's a big problem for me to recognize to whom I should/shouldn't listen, because of the reasons sleist mentioned. I just can't understand the huge difference when they are critiquing and when they posting for critique.

I guess time will tell... or someone brave enough to say some names :idea:

There are relationships here I don't understand yet and discussions that repeat themselves in almost every thread there, and there are people here I wish they comment but they don't...
All in all this is an interesting place to be in...



yeah... noticed that too

When in doubt go look at their Flickr page and/or website. If they rock....listen a bit more. If they suck....don't.

Gorgeous and SMART! :hug::

Your one of the rockers cgips, and you just earned some bonus points!

 

[mishele]

Get a room you guys. :er:

 

[IByte]

Get a room you guys. :er:

Jeeeeelly lol

 

[cgipson1]

Get a room you guys. :er:

Join us?

 

[terri35 6]

When in doubt go look at their Flickr page and/or website. If they rock....listen a bit more. If they suck....don't.

My thoughts... look at their images... If they talk a good show, but their images suck... are they someone you want to listen to?

^^ But you see, this is where the failing occurs.

Read what Overread said here (boldface added by me):

Generally I'd say that when you're learning who to listen to ask questions; lots of questions. Don't just listen to the answer, ask for the explanation behind it. Sometimes it will show where someone is just parroting something - other times it might show someone who really does understand the reasoning behind something and that in turn will greatly help you.

As for theory VS practical its my experience in photography that there are many people who have skill that outstrips their understanding of the theory of that skill and vis versa. Yes sometimes you will find people who can critique better than they can shoot (actually considering that compositional theories can be easier to learn than to put into practice its not unusual). Sometimes that might mean that they don't know as much, but listen to their arguments for their viewpoints and base your choice of that

The suggestion that a newbie just look at someone's pictures to decide if they want to listen to their advice is too simplistic, as it does not take into account the above points. Not only that, but it assumes a newbie possesses the wherewithal to make a judgment call on someone else's images...making the argument somewhat contradictory.

It also does not give anyone a pass to be rude or condescending to anyone who is new here, learning or trying to learn. That is what we all see too much of, and that is what prompted Aaron's post. We have behavioral guidelines here at TPF, and we're all held to them.

 

[pixmedic]

don't worry, infractions come with a note attached to let you know what you did wrong. :mrgreen:

Are we talking about those super passive aggressive posted notes .....mr medic? lol

It's better than a temp ban though, right? :-D

 

[kathyt]

When in doubt go look at their Flickr page and/or website. If they rock....listen a bit more. If they suck....don't.

My thoughts... look at their images... If they talk a good show, but their images suck... are they someone you want to listen to?

^^ But you see, this is where the failing occurs.

Read what Overread said here (boldface added by me):

Generally I'd say that when you're learning who to listen to ask questions; lots of questions. Don't just listen to the answer, ask for the explanation behind it. Sometimes it will show where someone is just parroting something - other times it might show someone who really does understand the reasoning behind something and that in turn will greatly help you.

As for theory VS practical its my experience in photography that there are many people who have skill that outstrips their understanding of the theory of that skill and vis versa. Yes sometimes you will find people who can critique better than they can shoot (actually considering that compositional theories can be easier to learn than to put into practice its not unusual). Sometimes that might mean that they don't know as much, but listen to their arguments for their viewpoints and base your choice of that

The suggestion that a newbie just look at someone's pictures to decide if they want to listen to their advice is too simplistic, as it does not take into account the above points. Not only that, but it assumes a newbie possesses the wherewithal to make a judgment call on someone else's images...making the argument somewhat contradictory.

It also does not give anyone a pass to be rude or condescending to anyone who is new here, learning or trying to learn. That is what we all see too much of, and that is what prompted Aaron's post. We have behavioral guidelines here at TPF, and we're all held to them.

Looking at someone else's work is only one tool in evaluating their creditworthiness. It is human nature.

 

[IByte]

I'm going to say it, and I'm going to put a number on it. I will no longer tolerate blatant rudeness and general "don't quit your day job" talk directed at anyone with under 20 posts. How you treat each other is your business. Once someone has had a moment to come to terms with the types of personalities that inhabit this place, you can go back to padding your egos with the dashed hopes and crushed dreams of others, but they're off limits for 20 posts.

Running off new members is just a rotten thing to do, and directly contrary to what this place is all about.

All my love,
Aaron

Very good point OP; however, people really need a thicker internet skin IMO. I mean if they run off because people are saying their photos look like hot garbage and they run off, then maybe a different forum is needed. Also, if they really wanted to improve why not self critique their own photo first. That was some of the best advice given by my professor, as to why did I take that photo? What look, mood, or story were trying to portray?

A lot of times, people ask very broad questions, with no samples for others to look at. Yes some people are more honest than others, and the people posting can't handle honest critique or smart ass remarks. To me, it goes both ways, if people want members on this forum's opinions; then they need to have a thicker skin, and realize their work it is not everyone cup O' tea.

They should not get butt hurt because people have not commented on their work, or comments they were not expecting. Maybe I am old school in my in my tender age of 36, but people when they post questions, or want critique it helps their peers if OPs' bring some information to the table.

Having said that, thanks for posting.

 

[mmaria]

Learning who to and who not to listen to is something we all have to learn.
It doesn't matter who they are - people on forums - books - lecturers- professionals - amateurs. Sometimes some people are good to listen to for one subject and not others. Sometimes those in the know can't communicate well enough that even when listening you can't understand etc...

Generally I'd say that when you're learning who to listen to ask questions; lots of questions. Don't just listen to the answer, ask for the explanation behind it. Sometimes it will show where someone is just parroting something - other times it might show someone who really does understand the reasoning behind something and that in turn will greatly help you.

As for theory VS practical its my experience in photography that there are many people who have skill that outstrips their understanding of the theory of that skill and vis versa. Yes sometimes you will find people who can critique better than they can shoot (actually considering that compositional theories can be easier to learn than to put into practice its not unusual). Sometimes that might mean that they don't know as much, but listen to their arguments for their viewpoints and base your choice of that

Remember in addition, none of us is the Moses of photography, leading you out of the land of ignorance with received wisdom.
Everything is someone's opinion and, if what is said doesn't make sense on its face, it probably doesn't make sense at all.

Critique is, or shouldn't be, a competition to be the most incisive or brutal.

agreed

When in doubt go look at their Flickr page and/or website. If they rock....listen a bit more. If they suck....don't.

yeah.... I'm looking at their photographs....and just don't understand the huge difference between saying and doing...

I'm just not that kind of person. There are things I know and there are things I don't, simple as that. I'm not interested in "I know everything, you don't" I just want a constructive criticism and sincere thoughts I can learn from. No one knows everything!
Also, don't get me wrong I welcome anyone to tell me their thoughts regardless of their knowledge, everything someone say is useful. If someone has no great knowledge about photography their critique can be just about impact of that particular photograph and that is great. If I nail everything but the impact, then I didn't do any good.

One forum is more then enough for me. I want to settle here.

What if you want to ask particular someone about their opinion because their saying are backed up with doing?