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Non-Professional (amateur / enthusiast) newbies don't get ripped or blasted....

It is only the "I'm a professional (Rebel or similar, kit lens, no flash, under / overexposed, OOF, bad DOF, Bad WB, Bad Comp, don't charge much because I am learning, check out my prices on facebook) Newbies" that usually catch a significant amount of flak!

So we shouldn't be telling these BAD professionals how bad they are? Right?

Seriously, how often does the average (non self proclaimed PRO) newbie get flack? I would be curious to see the numbers... I know I would rather help that type of newbie... and usually do. (serious question... really)

They do get flak but don't take it to heart the same way. It's like you said a facebook "pro" getting put in check who takes it the worst.
 
My fear is that if we discard honesty (and the disdain) that sometimes goes with it... we will be inundated by those just looking for a clue on how to shoot the next gig they have already accepted, and have no idea how to shoot!

Hi, I am SO & SO "Terrible (facebook) PRO photographer"! I hang out on TPF... you can learn so much there.. just look at my images!"

That would do wonders for TPF's credibility as a site that actually teaches.... don't you think?
 
Non-Professional (amateur / enthusiast) newbies don't get ripped or blasted....

It is only the "I'm a professional (Rebel or similar, kit lens, no flash, under / overexposed, OOF, bad DOF, Bad WB, Bad Comp, don't charge much because I am learning, check out my prices on facebook) Newbies" that usually catch a significant amount of flak!

So we shouldn't be telling these BAD professionals how bad they are? Right?

Seriously, how often does the average (non self proclaimed PRO) newbie get flack? I would be curious to see the numbers... I know I would rather help that type of newbie... and usually do. (serious question... really)

Ahhh… So, here we get to the crux of your ongoing interest in this thread, Charlie…

Non-Professional (amateur / enthusiast) newbies don't get ripped or blasted
.... by ME, CGipson!

It is only the "I'm a professional (Rebel or similar, kit lens, no flash, under / overexposed, OOF, bad DOF, Bad WB, Bad Comp, don't charge much because I am learning, check out my prices on facebook) Newbies" that usually catch a significant amount of flak!
…… from ME, CGipson!


So we shouldn't be telling these BAD professionals how bad they are? Right?

Right! You got it! It’s a banner day! :cheer: That is exactly right! You are finally realizing that the CGipson Standards of Photo Pros don’t rule the forum, thus you have no business acting as the Self-Appointed Guardian of TPF’s Standards of Photo Pros! I think I hear harps… ;)


Seriously, how often does the average (non self proclaimed PRO) newbie get flack? I would be curious to see the numbers... I know I would rather help that type of newbie... and usually do. (serious question... really)


Well, that’s interesting, but we don’t keep numbers like that. You could perhaps make an educated guess based on the number of warnings, infractions or temp bans you’ve received, perhaps augmented by the number of PM’s by the number of different moderators, myself included, with whom you continue to argue this point…and hazard a guess. :razz:

All kidding aside (and I hope you know I’m just having fun with you here), when anyone, for any reason, decides it’s okay to adopt a tone with any new member here, it sets a poor example, and unfortunately it has become a tone that has been adopted by many other members here. It’s a little clique of self-appointed TPF members who think they have the right to talk and act as they please to new members, in rude or inflammatory ways.

Again… Aaron’s post is simply saying he has seen enough of it, and will be putting the hammer down on anyone who engages in it. As Overread said above, TPF values its new members, established members, its pros, amateurs and complete newbies.

My fear is that if we discard honesty (and the disdain) that sometimes goes with it... we will be inundated by those just looking for a clue on how to shoot the next gig they have already accepted, and have no idea how to shoot!

Hi, I am SO & SO "Terrible (facebook) PRO photographer"! I hang out on TPF... you can learn so much there.. just look at my images!"

That would do wonders for TPF's credibility as a site that actually teaches.... don't you think?


No. TPF does not label itself as a teaching site. There is a huge difference between saying you are a teaching site and “a place for enthusiasts to learn and share information”, which is what the front page of this site proclaims. Note the word “enthusiasts”. Not pros. Anyone, from any level, can be an enthusiast! :)
 
As stated this is not about not being honest its about having a respectful tone when discussing matters with other members of the site -with specific reference to those new to the community.

As has been said time and time again you can be honest, so long as you are not insulting or hostile. As soon as that line is crossed its a slippery slope as others join in and instead of the person being educated or helped they are instead fast put into a defensive position as they have to fend off insults/jibs/jabs and attacks from all fronts. The thread then typically ends and everyone goes away with sour taste in their mouth - and the person under attack often never comes around again (and what do they do? Well they don't learn from us so chances are they just keep going on as they were before and any hope that commenters had as to improving that persons performance and the "quality of professional work" is lost ).
 
I luvs being the DEVIL's Advocate!! ;)

thanks for the honest answers.....

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So if we don't know when we're doing it, how will we know to knock it off?

don't worry, infractions come with a note attached to let you know what you did wrong. :mrgreen:

Speaking of what YOU did wrong,pixmedic......

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if you want to be "technical" about it....
in my short tenure thus far as a TPF moderator.....
I have closed 1 (one) thread(s) and issued 2 (two) infractions.

(i believe the one thread I closed was at the OP's request)
I MIGHT have closed a second thread that was an old zombie thread that got rehashed by a spammer...
I really try to explore other options of thread management, and consider closing a thread an absolute LAST resort.
nobody wins when a thread is closed, so if not-so-subtle hints and (in)direct threats are enough to keep a thread from having to be locked....I consider that a win.

also...the mustache isnt quite right...needs...more? maybe?
and for some reason you made my hair look like a short cut afro.
you made me look like Lando Calrissian! (Billy Dee Williams)

good first attempt though!
I am honored to finally take my rightful place among the honored guests of the TPF cartoon world.
 
good first attempt though!
I am honored to finally take my rightful place among the honored guests of the TPF cartoon world.

NOW you are part of the TPF Cartoon World! (tonemapped (HDR????) to Halo point!)
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How come Derrel has more HALO than you do?
 
My fear is that if we discard honesty (and the disdain) that sometimes goes with it... we will be inundated by those just looking for a clue on how to shoot the next gig they have already accepted, and have no idea how to shoot!

Hi, I am SO & SO "Terrible (facebook) PRO photographer"! I hang out on TPF... you can learn so much there.. just look at my images!"

That would do wonders for TPF's credibility as a site that actually teaches.... don't you think?

Imagine a world.... in which cgipson is payed a visit....and all he has to contribute is.....

$cgipson King of Facebook.webp
 
Stache correction in Cartoon world

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I absolutely applaud this, but I think the question which is begging to be asked is why tolerate it at all?

There is no reason to allow or accept this kind of treatment of anyone, regardless of how long they have been a member, or how many post they have made.
 
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