Banned Photos...

[runnah]

Hows about we just come up with a new title tag? like NSFW we could call it "BANG" or "PEWPEW".

 

[Overread]

I'm not sure if section re-naming is on the cards. I recall that renaming sections can play merry havoc with the background search setup in the site. Correctable but requires more effort than just changing the section title. Adding sections is easy but renaming is more tricky.

 

[Steve5D]

so...since your solution was not immediately implemented, it must be because the mod team unjustly dismissed it since it was obviously the correct solution to the problem. got it.

Actually, no.

Overread said that the only suggestion made was that we ban those who argue about guns. That's simply an untrue statement.

But he ignored it, which could cause a reasonable person to conclude that the idea had been dismissed...

have you PM'd the mod(s) you feel have grieved you and spoken to them personally? or did you just take your issues straight to a public rant?

I really, truly wish Moderators should have to read the entirety of a thread before commenting on it.


I realize overread suggested a thread in the feedback section, but that is typically for suggested ideas, not specifically calling out mods. [/quote]

Well, so far as I can tell, there's no protocol for that. The fact is that Terri made a public comment, and a comment which should give anyone pause. I see no great offense, as the comment was made in public, to discussing it in public...

when the gun ban was lifted here, it was done under instructions that those threads would be closely monitored, and the pictures would be moderated a little differently because of guns being such a "hot topic". it isn't simply a matter of whether the picture is artistic or not.

This is another area where moderators need to be on the same page, but aren't...

it also comes down to the intention of the person that posted it.
none of the guns posted in your thread, mine included, where posted in any artistic manner, nor were they posted for C&C or to show photographic techniques, which was a criteria for the allowance of gun pictures in the first place.

And therein lies the problem. What qualifications do you possess which permit you to view a photo and determine its artistic value? You're a paramedic, not an art professor...

 

[runnah]

I'm not sure if section re-naming is on the cards. I recall that renaming sections can play merry havoc with the background search setup in the site. Correctable but requires more effort than just changing the section title. Adding sections is easy but renaming is more tricky.

I mean't in the thread title. This way some of our more sensitive viewers can advert their eyes.

 

[Steve5D]

The adult/NSFW section already allows guns (as I've said). We'd be totally open to expanding that to a gun specific section IF we got a large enough volume of use. At present we (sadly) don't. As such there is no pressure to add a specific section for that type of content.

You know, if you spray a hose on a cat every time it comes into your yard, sooner or later it stops coming into your yard.

I would bet that one of the reasons that there's no large volume of use is because you slammed the door on it for so long...

Now if we get a surge in gun photos appearing in the NSFW section we would certainly look into expanding it.

Challenge accepted...

 

[Steve5D]

I love how after all I said you only responded to that one bit. Lol

It's all I was inclined to do, seeing as you're apparently faulting me for doing something that a Moderator suggested...

 

[pixmedic]

Have mercy on me Steve.

I guess the easiest way to sum this up for you is this....
it is what it is. things are being discussed.
in the meantime, you can either a) post your gun pictures and cross your fingers. or b) don't post any gun pictures.

I really wish you would actually include the whole context of what I post instead of just highlighting a tiny snippet of it and calling it BS.
when i said "it is not simply a matter of a picture being artistic or not" what i meant was.... "it is not simply ,only or otherwise singularly a matter of a gun picture being artistic or not". This means that there is not just "one" criteria (IE: artistic) that governs gun pictures. they are slightly different than other photos, as i also mentioned earlier. we look at other factors as well. which I also previously mentioned.

The word "simply", I thought, was well chosen (though obviously went over your head) since this is definitely not a "simple" issue, nor is the criteria for posting gun pictures.

lastly...do you want to know what qualifies me to determine a photos value here on TPF? I suppose there is no way to say this without sounding pretentious but...
I'm a moderator. that's what i am expected to do here. what qualifies YOU to judge a picture? how do you know if we judged wrong? are YOU an art professor?

we do it the same way as anyone else. we look at it and make a judgement call. sometimes i get it wrong. im only human.
i mean, what do you want from me?
I have already said that discussions are being conducted to determine if we want/need a separate section for weapons. these dont happen overnight, since its hard to get all the mods and admins on at the same time. what more can we do that would satisfy you?

 

[Overread]

I mean't in the thread title. This way some of our more sensitive viewers can advert their eyes.

Thread titles we can change - but the section where a thread appears, like NSFW, we can't change because of the afore mentioned problem with the search engine. We do generally change the section description to better explain the allowed content where we can.

You know, if you spray a hose on a cat every time it comes into your yard, sooner or later it stops coming into your yard.

I would bet that one of the reasons that there's no large volume of use is because you slammed the door on it for so long...

The only closed door there is the paid for access aspect. I will fully admit that when nudity was first banned we didn't manage to agree to using the subscribers section to allow a nudity/NSFW section to be opened up. IT was a shame as we did lose a few good photographers at that point. However we were later able to get the NSFW gallery added to that feature.

If you've ideas of motivations to increase activity there that we could adopt or put into effect we'd be happy to listen to them.



edit - Pix you need official moderator support background music

helps get through heavy moderating

edit 2 - eep forgot we had that auto embed for youtubes...

 

[Steve5D]

what more can we do that would satisfy you?

Lose the "We'll decide what's artistic" approach that Terri spoke of.

That was tried back in the 30's, you know...

 

[runnah]

Lose the "We'll decide what's artistic" approach that Terri spoke of.

This is the only thing that stuck in my craw. And with the size of my craw that is saying a lot.

 

[manaheim]

I love how after all I said you only responded to that one bit. Lol

It's all I was inclined to do, seeing as you're apparently faulting me for doing something that a Moderator suggested...

This is indicative of your whole approach here.

It's intellectually dishonest, at best.

Whatever.

Rage on, mighty warrior.

If they change the rules for you I'll be happy to not moderate your gun pictures.

 

[Steve5D]

The only closed door there is the paid for access aspect. I will fully admit that when nudity was first banned we didn't manage to agree to using the subscribers section to allow a nudity/NSFW section to be opened up. IT was a shame as we did lose a few good photographers at that point. However we were later able to get the NSFW gallery added to that feature.

So, create the section, make it available only to supporting members, and be done with it...

If you've ideas of motivations to increase activity there that we could adopt or put into effect we'd be happy to listen to them.

Well, right now, I don't know what's possible. Apparently, the hammer's been dropped pretty resolutely when someone would post a photo of a gun, so it's no great mystery as to why gun photos are scarce.

You want to increase activity? Forget the ban. Forget the ban for, I dunno', a month. Let people post without the fear of reprisal. Do this to see who'll take the "artistic" road and who'll take the "Yee haw, lookit mah gunz!" approach. That's the only way you're really going to get a sense for what activity may be like because, with an overshadowing threat of having a photo removed, many will probably not do it.

I own a lot of guns (for anyone interested, the Zombie Apocalypse Survival Center is now located in St. Augustine). I would like to photograph these and share them. Some of the guns are actually quite old. I would be reluctant to post such photos now, though, simply because I've been made aware that the moderators will be the deciding body for determining their artistic worth. And, given the fact that guns are such a hot button issue, it should be expected that such photos would be moderated more heavily.

Oh, and I haven't looked: Is that photo of the pickup I linked to still up? I really would love for someone to explain the artistic virtues contained therein...

 

[Steve5D]

I love how after all I said you only responded to that one bit. Lol

It's all I was inclined to do, seeing as you're apparently faulting me for doing something that a Moderator suggested...

This is indicative of your whole approach here.

It's intellectually dishonest, at best.

Whatever.

Rage on, mighty warrior.

If they change the rules for you I'll be happy to not moderate your gun pictures.

"Intellectually dishonest"??

Seriously??

You faulted me for following a Moderator's suggestion. THAT'S dishonest.

Why, then, would I expend anything more than the minimum required effort to respond to you?

You called me out for starting this thread.

Overread suggested that I do it.

That's all I need to say...

 

[Steve5D]

Lose the "We'll decide what's artistic" approach that Terri spoke of.

This is the only thing that stuck in my craw. And with the size of my craw that is saying a lot.

'Tis true. What you or I think is no longer of any consequence...

 

[kathyt]

Steve, move on for heavens sake! The MODS have made significant changes in the gun policies in this forum to help better accommodate its members, and to allow us to share our images in a responsible way. Use your common sense. If you are unsure, don't post it or ask first. You are certainly not helping your case or your reputation here on the forum today. You are arguing for the sake of argument. Go change up your day a little, and maybe pay it forward somewhere or somehow. Buy someone a cup of coffee or just do something nice. Your negativity is a really downer!