Canon 7D compared to 5D MK II or similar

[cfusionpm]

I just cannot understand all this hate for the 7D...

Well the original statement that the 5DII has better IQ is not only accurate, but relevant to the thread (with regards to using two cameras for stereo). Granted, there are many other reasons besides IQ that the 7D and 5DII shouldn't pair together for stereo, there definitely is a quantifiable difference in quality. In an old thread a while back, inTempus did a quick ISO test between 7D and 5DII. In regards to IQ, here are two shots from that thread: 7D / 5DII. Believe me, I wish Canon made a low MP full frame speed camera like Nikon's D700. But until then, the only choice for high level, sub-pro camera is a speedy crop with great AF and decent IQ or a super high res, high IQ full frame with mediocre build and AF performance. It's not hate, it's the reality of Canon's product structuring.

 

[Village Idiot]

I just cannot understand all this hate for the 7D...

- Neil

Probably because all the threads on here have been 7D vs. 5D MKII threads and when comparing the IQ of a ff camera vs. an 18mp 1.6x crop, people are going to favor the FF camera.

And it's not hate, it's just that the IQ of the 5D MKII is better. I don't recall any posts in this thread about how bad the 7D blow and how it's the worst camera ever. Comments like that I would consider hateful towards the camera.

 

[Neil S.]

I just cannot understand all this hate for the 7D...

- Neil

Probably because all the threads on here have been 7D vs. 5D MKII threads and when comparing the IQ of a ff camera vs. an 18mp 1.6x crop, people are going to favor the FF camera.

And it's not hate, it's just that the IQ of the 5D MKII is better. I don't recall any posts in this thread about how bad the 7D blow and how it's the worst camera ever. Comments like that I would consider hateful towards the camera.

I though it was clear that I was not only talking about this thread...

 

[Neil S.]

Matt,

What I was talking about is people on this forum that refuse to acknowledge that the 7D is a good camera.

That is all.

 

[Village Idiot]

I just cannot understand all this hate for the 7D...

- Neil

Probably because all the threads on here have been 7D vs. 5D MKII threads and when comparing the IQ of a ff camera vs. an 18mp 1.6x crop, people are going to favor the FF camera.

And it's not hate, it's just that the IQ of the 5D MKII is better. I don't recall any posts in this thread about how bad the 7D blow and how it's the worst camera ever. Comments like that I would consider hateful towards the camera.

I though it was clear that I was not only talking about this thread...

I know it's clear that I was not only talking about this thread. I'm just not sure the person reading my post realizes this...

 

[Neil S.]

And it's not hate, it's just that the IQ of the 5D MKII is better. I don't recall any posts in this thread about how bad the 7D blow and how it's the worst camera ever. Comments like that I would consider hateful towards the camera.

Why say this then?

Do you just enjoy wasting everyones time?

 

[Village Idiot]

And it's not hate, it's just that the IQ of the 5D MKII is better. I don't recall any posts in this thread about how bad the 7D blow and how it's the worst camera ever. Comments like that I would consider hateful towards the camera.

Why say this then?

Do you just enjoy wasting everyones time?

Siting an example. Do you enjoy a lack of reading comprehension?

 

[Neil S.]

Siting an example. Do you enjoy a lack of reading comprehension?

Clearly you have no interest to discuss anything here...

Good day.

 

[Village Idiot]

Siting an example. Do you enjoy a lack of reading comprehension?

Clearly you have no interest to discuss anything here...

Good day.

Do you think things here are worth discussing?

 

[Derrel]

The focusing system on the 7D is really good, but the IQ is no where near a 5D MkII. The detail in a 5D shot is light years ahead of the 7D I'm sad to say.

Uh...oh...somebody expressed an anti-7D opinion...

I could tell you some things that aren’t perfect or even ideal about the 7D if I wanted to...

But I can also list a LOT of things that are really good about it as well.

Remember that other people here (like myself) actually own the camera and shoot with it all the time. This gives us a more accurate perspective of it than you get from only reading reviews, and maybe a few times shooting with it.

From what I have seen usually those reviews or articles that are posted as "evidence" are from small time websites that leave me saying "who the #@!$ wrote this?"

Also when reviews are posted from the big sites like dpreview.com giving it outstanding ratings and high praise, all the 7D haters get real quiet for some reason. I wonder why that is?

I subscribe to Digital Photographer UK which is almost certainly the best photo mag in the world. While they didn’t say that it was perfect (which nothing is), they did have a lot of praise for it in the review. They even ran a head to head D300s and 7D comparison in a different issue, and guess what the 7D won it.

For me it has met and exceeded my expectations in pretty much every way. What more can you ask really? Are you saying that I should not be happy with it? If so please tell me why.

I am far from clueless about digital photography and I can say in all honesty that I think it’s an outstanding body, especially in comparison to other crop bodies.

The 7D is an APS-C camera as you well know, and comparing it to a FF body is absurd. For some reason discussions about the 7D always end up going in that direction though. I am not saying you are doing that here at all, but people on this forum do make that comparison often.

There is no doubt in my mind that it is in the top 3 for crop bodies available right now. Shouldnt that count for something? If not then I guess the D300s, D7000, etc. are all just garbage?

So while it’s not "perfect" and there are some things that could be better about it, it is still a damn fine camera especially in the crop category which it is obviously in. Why can’t we all just agree on that fact?

It’s not a FF camera and should not be compared to them for obvious reasons.

The 7D was not designed to be a low light champ in any way, and as you well know Canon in general usually has higher MP counts (and sensor densities) than Nikon. You have to look at the camera in the context of its intended purpose though, and then you should see what a great camera that it really is.

I am getting tired of hearing stuff like "the 5D mk II has better blah blah blah". Who really cares though? It is not a FF body nor was it intended to be. Just get over it already...

If people want to get the 5D II then that’s all fine and good, it’s a great camera after all. Just remember that the 7D isn’t even in the same league as the 5D II, and each one has its own strengths and weaknesses. The 7D is even better than the 5D II in quite a few ways.

I just cannot understand all this hate for the 7D...

- Neil

The title of the thread indicates that the OP wants to compare the 7D to the 5D Mark II "or similar"...and yet you come into this thread trying to use the defense that the 7D ought NOT be compared to a full-frame camera. There you go, re-defining (invalidating would be a better word) the OP's question, and establishing ground rules for the OP.

Why not compare the 7D to the "similar". Why not compare it to a Nikon D3s...that body is full-frame...designed for fast firing and fast focusing...designed to be a good "action" camera. That would, or could, be the "similar" the OP asked about.

Putting a spin on your why all this hate for the 7D", how about, "why all this heated defense of the 7D" and "why all this telling people EXACTLY HOW it ought to be evaluated?"

It's okay for you to boast that the 7D "beats" a Nikon crop-body in some website's test, but it is not okay for the OP's question to be answered? It is NOT okay for the 7D to be compared against a full-frame Canon, as the OP's post inquired about? Again, "why all this defense for the 7D"?

The OP asked a question, and a Canon shooter opined that the 5D-II blows it away in terms of detail resolved...not surprising really.

 

[Neil S.]

The title of the thread indicates that the OP wants to compare the 7D to the 5D Mark II "or similar"...and yet you come into this thread trying to use the defense that the 7D ought NOT be compared to a full-frame camera. There you go, re-defining (invalidating would be a better word) the OP's question, and establishing ground rules for the OP.

Why not compare the 7D to the "similar". Why not compare it to a Nikon D3s...that body is full-frame...designed for fast firing and fast focusing...designed to be a good "action" camera. That would, or could, be the "similar" the OP asked about.

Putting a spin on your why all this hate for the 7D", how about, "why all this heated defense of the 7D" and "why all this telling people EXACTLY HOW it ought to be evaluated?"

It's okay for you to boast that the 7D "beats" a Nikon crop-body in some website's test, but it is not okay for the OP's question to be answered? It is NOT okay for the 7D to be compared against a full-frame Canon, as the OP's post inquired about? Again, "why all this defense for the 7D"?

The OP asked a question, and a Canon shooter opined that the 5D-II blows it away in terms of detail resolved...not surprising really.

Please don't act like I was addressing the OP with that post, you know exactly who I was talking to...

You are right that I was getting pretty far off topic. I was just responding to your smart a$$ remark about the 7D though.

You are also right that in this exact situation it would be better to get a second 5D II. I never said anything different than this before; in fact I didn’t even address this at all yet.

For the most part getting a 5D II over the 7D is better in general for most types of shooting. I don’t think that I have ever said anything different than this before.

As I have stated here before though, the 7D has advantages of its own over the 5D II. The biggest are the extra reach provided, and the superior AF + burst speed for action/sports. It’s basically just a better sports body compared to the 5D II, even for pro shooters.

This is just one aspect of shooting though, and for some reason certain people get all offended if you say anything is better about the 7D.

The 5D II is not perfect just like the 7D, remember that…

The reason that I am telling you how it ought to be evaluated is because some people here have a tendency to judge it based on comparisons to more expensive cameras. This is unfair, and will automatically place the 7D at a disadvantage.

Actually though it seems that the reason that it is compared to full blown pro bodies is because it is closer to them than it is to entry level bodies.

In fact this is exactly what Digital Photographer UK said in the D300s vs. 7D comparison. They said that the 7D was leaning more towards the pro and the D300s was leaning more towards the entry level, and that’s what decided it because it was so close otherwise. I agree with their assessment from my own research.

And don’t even say that the reviews that I post are “just some websites test”. The ones that I have posted here in the past are well known and respected sources, unlike yours.

Yes I agree that FF bodies like the 5D II are better than the 7D (and more expensive).

Yes I agree that the 7D's small sensor and high pixel density give it some disadvantages.

Yes it is not perfect, and I never said it was.

It is still a great camera, and this is where we seem to have the disagreement.

Is that what you are saying? That it isn’t a good camera?

I have been 100% honest here. Can you say the same?

In the past you have had some serious trash to talk about it, and that was what I was referring to. I have not forgotten this, and I feel that you are not giving it the credit that it deserves.

What is your honest opinion about it? I really would like to know.

- Neil

 

[Derrel]

Who do you write for? What is your agenda? And no, I do not "know exactly" who you were talking to. Was it me? Was it the Canon owner who dared to bring up the obvious--that the 7D's images are easily out-resolved by those from a 5D-Mark II? I expected the 7D faithful to come crawling out of the woodwork several days ago. Did you declare the 7D the best APS-C body on the market, or was that another poster?

Why not get busy comparing the 5D Mark II or similar cameras to the 7D. If you have so much great 7D information to share, why not get off your butt and do it?

How does the 5D Mark II, or similar cameras, compare to the Canon 7D. THAT was the question....and yet, you come in trying to declare that the 7D ought NOT be compared against any FF bodies. Now, why is that?

 

[Neil S.]

Who do you write for? What is your agenda? And no, I do not "know exactly" who you were talking to. Was it me? Was it the Canon owner who dared to bring up the obvious--that the 7D's images are easily out-resolved by those from a 5D-Mark II? I expected the 7D faithful to come crawling out of the woodwork several days ago. Did you declare the 7D the best APS-C body on the market, or was that another poster?

Are you serious lol? I quoted your post. Thats kind of a hint that I was talking to you.

Is the 7D not a good camera?

I am still waiting to here your opinion on the 7D...

 

[Neil S.]

How does the 5D Mark II, or similar cameras, compare to the Canon 7D. THAT was the question....and yet, you come in trying to declare that the 7D ought NOT be compared against any FF bodies. Now, why is that?

Again the 5D mk II is "better" overall, and better for the OP to get a 2nd one in this specific situation.

This is clearly not what I have been talking about, and as you can see I am agreeing with you on this YET AGAIN.

What are we even discussing here if I agree with you about the recommendation for the OP?

It seems a lot like I think that the 7D is a good camera, while you do not. You arent just coming out and saying that though are you?

If this is not true then please tell me...

 

[cfusionpm]

Matt,

What I was talking about is people on this forum that refuse to acknowledge that the 7D is a good camera.

That is all.

Oh I know. Some individuals just like to poke and prod to provoke reactions; gotta learm to spot it and pick your battles. :thumbup: