Canon or Nikon?

[Gaerek]

Really? This thread is still going?

Shush you! Petraio Prime is amusing me! :lmao:

 

[DerekSalem]

It's a marketing strategy Canon uses to noobs because most consumers look at megapixels when shopping for a camera and automatically think the higher the megapixels, the better deal they are getting and the quality is going to be way better.

You would be much better off with Nikon, there's a reason Nikon has proven itself to be a better system than Canon over the past 3 years.

And that reason is "Ignorance is bliss".

The D300 and 7D are virtually the same in terms of performance. They're both exceptional bodies and both can church out incredible pictures, if used by the right person. Take both in your hands and feel the way they operate. Then decide on what type of glass you'd like to get (get specifics in mind) and decide from there. Look at pricing of glass, quality of the glass (reviews), and other things. Don't limit yourself to just "Nikon V Canon" because nobody will win.

Both of these bodies pretty much have the best their respective companies have to offer (with a few exceptions, but very few).

 

[Derrel]

Video of a team Leicaflex SL-2 driver demonstrating the absolute technical superiority of Euro-designed equipment, which as we all know, is much higher quality than Japanese-designed gear.


petitporsche Video by TERMINAL CONNECTION - MySpace Video

 

[Petraio Prime]

You forgot that I sold photo equipment in the 90s and have been visiting stores and handing the equipment on a regular basis since.

You sold phot equipment in the 90's? Wow, I guess PP must be the all knowing, all seeing photographe...wait, no you're not a photographer, I almost forgot. Hey, can you get me a good deal on a new EOS-1N? Oh wait...that camera hasn't been relevant in over 10 years...

Can either of them focus through a net?

I doubt it.

:lmao:

Ok...why didn't I get the memo that modern cameras don't have Manual Focus? I mean, I've been doing it on mine for several years now. I guess I need to stop, because modern camera must mean automatic only!

Go play with your 30 year old equipment and have fun. Leave the talk about modern cameras (read: less than 10 years old) to people with actual experience with them. Mmmkay?

So you need to use the camera just like my 35 year old Leicaflex? LOL

But you can't focus manually as easily or as quickly because those cameras aren't as smooth. And your skills are not as sharp because you've been relying on autofocus for years.

You say you've been using manual focus for "several years"? I've been doing it for 45 years.

Laugh's on me.

 

[Mbnmac]

You forgot that I sold photo equipment in the 90s and have been visiting stores and handing the equipment on a regular basis since.

You sold phot equipment in the 90's? Wow, I guess PP must be the all knowing, all seeing photographe...wait, no you're not a photographer, I almost forgot. Hey, can you get me a good deal on a new EOS-1N? Oh wait...that camera hasn't been relevant in over 10 years...

Can either of them focus through a net?

I doubt it.

:lmao:

Ok...why didn't I get the memo that modern cameras don't have Manual Focus? I mean, I've been doing it on mine for several years now. I guess I need to stop, because modern camera must mean automatic only!

Go play with your 30 year old equipment and have fun. Leave the talk about modern cameras (read: less than 10 years old) to people with actual experience with them. Mmmkay?

So you need to use the camera just like my 35 year old Leicaflex? LOL

But you can't focus manually as easily or as quickly because those cameras aren't as smooth. And your skills are not as sharp because you've been relying on autofocus for years.

You say you've been using manual focus for "several years"? I've been doing it for 45 years.

Laugh's on me.

Listen grandpa, we can't help that we have better equipment than you, I know it's hard to learn new things.

Tell you what, tomorrow, I'll show this amazing new thing they're calling moving pictures, it's like the radio, but with pictures! I know the radio has amazing audio quality these days but I tell ya, this T-E-L-E-V-I-S-I-O-N thing will be the way of the future!

 

[outreachideas]

I'd go for Canon!

 

[OrionsByte]

So you need to use the camera just like my 35 year old Leicaflex? LOL

But you can't focus manually as easily or as quickly because those cameras aren't as smooth. And your skills are not as sharp because you've been relying on autofocus for years.

You say you've been using manual focus for "several years"? I've been doing it for 45 years.

Laugh's on me.

There are always going to be situations when you have to take control back away from the camera, because the camera can be fooled. Technologies like auto-focus and matrix metering weren't invented so that we'd never have to think for ourselves; they were invented as tools that photographers could use to make things easier most of the time. A good photographer knows how to use all the tools available to them, including AF and MF.

Besides the fact that it's completely off topic for this thread, I get really tired of seeing, "I'm a better photographer because I only use manual controls." It's your choice to use those cameras and those controls, and I respect that, if it works for you, but it doesn't mean that everyone has to see it your way. It also doesn't give you the perfect impartial vantage point from which to comment on Nikon vs. Canon in terms of AF, even if you think it does, because you don't use AF. Without practical, relevant experience behind your words, they're empty. And frustrating.

Petraio, I understand where you're coming from, I really do. Could you take a moment and respect where we're coming from as well? Can you try to understand that everyone has a right to their own opinion, even when you think they're wrong? You can rattle off as many "facts" as you want, but you're completely destroying any chance you have of getting your point across when you don't respect the opinions of others, because it just makes you come across as pompous and arrogant.

I'm asking you, please, if you truly have amassed this great wealth of knowledge and experience, find a way to contribute that doesn't involve insulting everyone you try and "help."

Listen grandpa, we can't help that we have better equipment than you, I know it's hard to learn new things.

Tell you what, tomorrow, I'll show this amazing new thing they're calling moving pictures, it's like the radio, but with pictures! I know the radio has amazing audio quality these days but I tell ya, this T-E-L-E-V-I-S-I-O-N thing will be the way of the future!

That was pretty uncalled for, even for this thread.

 

[Dao]

Petraio, I understand where you're coming from, I really do. Could you take a moment and respect where we're coming from as well? Can you try to understand that everyone has a right to their own opinion, even when you think they're wrong? You can rattle off as many "facts" as you want, but you're completely destroying any chance you have of getting your point across when you don't respect the opinions of others, because it just makes you come across as pompous and arrogant.

If you read all (almost) the posts that Petraio had post in this forum (or others), I do not think you will waste your time to offer the above comment.


Please raise your hand if anyone would like the mod to close this thread!

 

[Petraio Prime]

So you need to use the camera just like my 35 year old Leicaflex? LOL

But you can't focus manually as easily or as quickly because those cameras aren't as smooth. And your skills are not as sharp because you've been relying on autofocus for years.

You say you've been using manual focus for "several years"? I've been doing it for 45 years.

Laugh's on me.

There are always going to be situations when you have to take control back away from the camera, because the camera can be fooled. Technologies like auto-focus and matrix metering weren't invented so that we'd never have to think for ourselves; they were invented as tools that photographers could use to make things easier most of the time. A good photographer knows how to use all the tools available to them, including AF and MF.

Besides the fact that it's completely off topic for this thread, I get really tired of seeing, "I'm a better photographer because I only use manual controls." It's your choice to use those cameras and those controls, and I respect that, if it works for you, but it doesn't mean that everyone has to see it your way. It also doesn't give you the perfect impartial vantage point from which to comment on Nikon vs. Canon in terms of AF, even if you think it does, because you don't use AF. Without practical, relevant experience behind your words, they're empty. And frustrating.

Petraio, I understand where you're coming from, I really do. Could you take a moment and respect where we're coming from as well? Can you try to understand that everyone has a right to their own opinion, even when you think they're wrong? You can rattle off as many "facts" as you want, but you're completely destroying any chance you have of getting your point across when you don't respect the opinions of others, because it just makes you come across as pompous and arrogant.

I'm asking you, please, if you truly have amassed this great wealth of knowledge and experience, find a way to contribute that doesn't involve insulting everyone you try and "help."

Listen grandpa, we can't help that we have better equipment than you, I know it's hard to learn new things.

Tell you what, tomorrow, I'll show this amazing new thing they're calling moving pictures, it's like the radio, but with pictures! I know the radio has amazing audio quality these days but I tell ya, this T-E-L-E-V-I-S-I-O-N thing will be the way of the future!

That was pretty uncalled for, even for this thread.

I have been around photography in one form or another for 45+ years.

I have worked in the retail end (twice) and as a commercial/industrial photographer/assistant, multi-media photographer, yearbook/magazine photographer, etc. I have also sold Alpa, Zeiss, Leica, Minolta, Olympus, Pentax, Canon, Nikon, etc.

When you work in a camera shop you get to play with the stuff. Customers expect you to know the equipment.

Several of the organizations I worked for used Nikons (old Ftns, F2s, F3s, etc.)

I was in the retail business for the second time in the early-mid 90s, and have first-hand experience with F4s and EOS-1s and their lenses. I have also continued to visit stores and play with newer equipment. I doubt any of you have experience with handling everything from a Contarex and Contaflex to an EOS-1V.

I have worked with Nikon and don't like them. I don't own either Nikon or Canon, but if I had to choose a new 35mm system it would never be Nikon. Never.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

So why are you here? You never seem to really, genuinely help anyone.

 

[o hey tyler]

 

[Petraio Prime]

So why are you here? You never seem to really, genuinely help anyone.

I do. You just never accept anything I say. I can't help you with that.

 

[inTempus]

One only needs to look as far back as the 1d mkIII to show that Canon's AF isn't always better than Nikon. Period.

Even with the issues Canon had with the 1D3, I've never found even one published test where the D3 beat the 1D3 in AF performance in a side-by-side shootout.

Here's a couple of examples.

Canon 1D MKIII vs. Nikon D3 Sports Autofocus Showdown - Pro Photo HOME

AF-C comparison test plus K20D and K200D test in german "fotoMAGAZIN": Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

The same tests were conducted against the D3s vs. the 1D4 and here's the results:

Autofocus Torture Test Updated (Canon 1D MKIV & Nikon D3S added) | Pro Photo Home

Did Canon have issues with the 1D3? Yup, they did. It happens, even to Nikon (the D5000 was recalled twice in recent history). The best advice one can take is to never buy from the first run of a totally new system unless you're ready to accept dealing with unforeseen problems and are willing to wait for the fix.

I'm not saying that Canon's AF system is superior to Nikon's, I honestly can't say which is technically better nor do I really care. You'll find pretty much equal numbers in either camp that claim they have the best system. Both are very capable systems and will yield world class results if you take the time to learn the system you're using. They both have their quirks, yes even Nikon. I shoot with a 1D4 and it has plenty of quirks too... believe me.

I wouldn't be so concerned with who has the better AF system as 99.99% of us will never use the cameras to their fullest potential. It's all mental gymnastics to sit around saying who has the best gear at the level these to titans play at. Neither is perfect and neither offer the ideal solution for all photographers. Pick one that works for you, go with it and be happy.

 

[Gaerek]

You forgot that I sold photo equipment in the 90s and have been visiting stores and handing the equipment on a regular basis since.

You sold phot equipment in the 90's? Wow, I guess PP must be the all knowing, all seeing photographe...wait, no you're not a photographer, I almost forgot. Hey, can you get me a good deal on a new EOS-1N? Oh wait...that camera hasn't been relevant in over 10 years...

Can either of them focus through a net?

I doubt it.

:lmao:

Ok...why didn't I get the memo that modern cameras don't have Manual Focus? I mean, I've been doing it on mine for several years now. I guess I need to stop, because modern camera must mean automatic only!

Go play with your 30 year old equipment and have fun. Leave the talk about modern cameras (read: less than 10 years old) to people with actual experience with them. Mmmkay?

So you need to use the camera just like my 35 year old Leicaflex? LOL

But you can't focus manually as easily or as quickly because those cameras aren't as smooth. And your skills are not as sharp because you've been relying on autofocus for years.

You say you've been using manual focus for "several years"? I've been doing it for 45 years.

Laugh's on me.

Wow, PP knows me personally now! His omniscience transcends photography! I suppose you might find it hard to believe the next few things:

1) I learned on a manual focus camera. I know how to do it, and I know how to do it well. Maybe I've been only shooting for 12 years, but the first 7 were on a nearly completely manual camera (mainly because I couldn't afford something newer...such is the life of a high school/college student). It's very nice to know that in such rare instances (like the one you posted) I can manually focus still. Luckily, for the 95 out of 100 other instances, where AF is FAR superior to MF, I have that capability as well.

2) I guess smoothness now has something to do with how well you can manually focus something? I mean, it might make it a bit easier, but if you know what you're doing, it's not something that will really make a difference, especially in those extremely rare circumstances where MF is better than AF.

3) Luckily, I don't need to use my newer camera like yours in most instances. However, your statement was "Can either of them [modern Nikon/Canon dSLR's] focus through a net?" And I proved they can. You just moved the goal posts now to say that these cameras can't do it as well as your GROSSLY outdated hardware.

Once again, your lack of knowledge about anything related to photography in the past 15ish years is showing. I have nothing against people who shoot film, use old cameras, or whatever. I have a lot against pretentious know-it-all's, who really, don't know anything close to it all. You fit that bill nicely PP.

Several of the organizations I worked for used Nikons (old Ftns, F2s, F3s, etc.)

I was in the retail business for the second time in the early-mid 90s, and have first-hand experience with F4s and EOS-1s and their lenses. I have also continued to visit stores and play with newer equipment. I doubt any of you have experience with handling everything from a Contarex and Contaflex to an EOS-1V.

You do understand that the cameras that these companies are producing today, are about 100 times more sophisticated, and are nothing like those that you mentioned, right? You did know that? I assume the all knowing PP would. Once again, you're showing your lack of knowledge of modern cameras. Go to a camera shop today, and rent a high end dSLR with a good lens. You might actually be surprised at how superior that camera is to what you use. Who knows, you might actually like it. If you don't, that's cool too. But understand that when people are discussing modern dSLR's, you're knowledge of 60's era SLRs and mid 90's era film cameras is IRRELEVANT.

P.S. Years of experience means next to nothing, honestly. You've been shooting longer than I've been alive. But it's obvious to me, and most everyone here that people who shoot 60's era cameras really can't talk about modern dSLR's. I have more experience than you in that respect.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

So why are you here? You never seem to really, genuinely help anyone.

I do. You just never accept anything I say. I can't help you with that.

Funny, I don't recall ever entering any debates with you, for you to say that. Now you are making assumptions.