What's new

Canon or Nikon?

One only needs to look as far back as the 1d mkIII to show that Canon's AF isn't always better than Nikon. Period.
Even with the issues Canon had with the 1D3, I've never found even one published test where the D3 beat the 1D3 in AF performance in a side-by-side shootout.

Here's a couple of examples.

Canon 1D MKIII vs. Nikon D3 Sports Autofocus Showdown - Pro Photo HOME

AF-C comparison test plus K20D and K200D test in german "fotoMAGAZIN": Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

The same tests were conducted against the D3s vs. the 1D4 and here's the results:

Autofocus Torture Test Updated (Canon 1D MKIV & Nikon D3S added) | Pro Photo Home

Did Canon have issues with the 1D3? Yup, they did. It happens, even to Nikon (the D5000 was recalled twice in recent history). The best advice one can take is to never buy from the first run of a totally new system unless you're ready to accept dealing with unforeseen problems and are willing to wait for the fix.

I'm not saying that Canon's AF system is superior to Nikon's, I honestly can't say which is technically better nor do I really care. You'll find pretty much equal numbers in either camp that claim they have the best system. Both are very capable systems and will yield world class results if you take the time to learn the system you're using. They both have their quirks, yes even Nikon. I shoot with a 1D4 and it has plenty of quirks too... believe me.

I wouldn't be so concerned with who has the better AF system as 99.99% of us will never use the cameras to their fullest potential. It's all mental gymnastics to sit around saying who has the best gear at the level these to titans play at. Neither is perfect and neither offer the ideal solution for all photographers. Pick one that works for you, go with it and be happy.

I just want you to know that I largely agree with you. My point was that it's never wise to make a blanket statement. When Petraio had said that Canon has the best AF system, he was wrong by the fact that it isn't always the case. Personally I don't care. I shot my friends mkiii, a few months after it was released and I didn't notice anything wrong with the AF. Of course, I'm no pro, and the AF on the mkiii was still superior to what I was using.

If I were to use Canon and Nikon's flagship camera's side by side, I probably wouldn't notice any real dicernable difference between them. Most people wouldn't. Professionals who require their equipment to work as it should, 100% of the time, however, will. I'm not one of those, I will never be one of those. I was simply using the mkiii as a proof of why PP's statement was false, that's all.
 
I just had to LAUGH when I saw InTempus pop back into this forum and reference Canon 1D MKIII vs. Nikon D3 Sports Autofocus Showdown - Pro Photo HOME

The Pro Photo Home site is ANYTHING but a "pro" site, and the owner of the site, "Drew", is the guy who bought Rob Galbraith's forums. After Drew bought the forums from Rob, things went south with the forums, and Drew developed a personal vendetta against Rob after the forum site was abandoned in droves by real,working professional sports shooters and photojournalists. After Galbraith brought the 1D Mark III AF problems to public attention, Drew went on a "campaign" against Galbraith, and set out to refute basically anything Rob said. Drew was later forced to apologize after a large part of what he was alleging about Galbraith's findings was un-supportable by evidence. The public apology Drew made is still on line as far as I know.

I have to laugh my ass off when I read "Pro Photo Home" and its test of the D3 versus the Canon...shooting a guy in a white T-shirt as being representative of "an athlete" is hilarious....no number on the shirt, camera held horizontally, only 1 out of 52 autofocus points used to try and "prove" a point. Nikon's AF system is smart, and color-aware,and anybody who has used the D12 or D2 series bodies knows that enabling more than one AF point is the way the Nikon AF system is supposed to be used for sports photography.

Canon has had terrible problems with multi-point AF,and many Canon users have found that they can rely only on center AF point AF for sports use--Nikon users have a different system, entirely, and using multiple AF points greatly helps a 51-AF point camera that uses sophisticated analysis from MULTIPLE point to track rapid motion. So, by selecting a flat, white T-shirt as being representative of a "uniform", and switching off 50 out of 51 AF points, Rob Galbraith's enemy "Drew" deliberately set out to create a "test" that would directly refute Rob Galbraith's findings because Drew had a personal vendetta against Rob Galbraith, and spent quite a bit of time trying to prove that Galbraith's Canon 1D Mark III AF tests were just anti-Canon bias.

Of course, InTempus was not involved in photography at the time this happened...he's new to photography,and has not been around long enough to even have been aware that Rob Galbraith's forums were bought by Drew. I don't directly blame InTempus for repeatedly citing Drew Strickland's "Pro Photo Home" and his alleged AF test, but I do happen to have been a member of Galbraith's forums many years ago, back in the Nikon D1 days about a decade ago, so my insight into the situation is one of somebody who actually knows that Drew has a major "beef" with Rob Galbraith. Drew being a Canon user (a Canon fanboy, actually) played and still plays a large factor in the way Pro Photo Home's owner continues to try and discredit Rob Galbraith's web site. The fact that robgalbraith.com forced Canon to admit that the 1D Mark III had serious ,serious problems with its autofocus and the collapse of the forum base under Drew's ownership have both been huge factors in bad blood between the new owner, Drew, and the professional journalist and educator from whom the forum was purchased. "Pro Photo Home" had a pro shooter as its anchor, and that was Rob Galbraith. After the forums were sold, well, Drew was left holding the "remains"...
 
Listen grandpa, we can't help that we have better equipment than you, I know it's hard to learn new things.

Tell you what, tomorrow, I'll show this amazing new thing they're calling moving pictures, it's like the radio, but with pictures! I know the radio has amazing audio quality these days but I tell ya, this T-E-L-E-V-I-S-I-O-N thing will be the way of the future!

That was pretty uncalled for, even for this thread.

I don't see how, this thread is a joke and trying to actually argue/debate with him is pretty pointless
 
Coming from the guy that still hasn't figured out that if you're in Av mode on a Canon the index finger wheel controls the aperture, and if you're in Tv mode the same wheel controls the shutter speed... it's all some magical and uber-confusing "willy-nilly" behavior. Talk about autistic behavior... you repeat this non-sense in every Canon vs. Nikon thread as if everyone shares your inability to figure out simple controls.

Where's your rip on fotoMAGAZIN, Derrel? Did you miss that link?

Leave it to Derrel to get all tweaked when someone posts something that doesn't jive with his myopic view of the world. :lmao:

What was that Derrel said way back on page 3 of this thread?

That's it for me in this thread. THere are other threrads just like this if people wanna' read the same stuff at greater length.

I guess he couldn't resist after all... kind of like saying I was back on his ignore list. :meh:
 
Coming from the guy that still hasn't figured out that if you're in Av mode on a Canon the index finger wheel controls the aperture, and if you're in Tv mode the same wheel controls the shutter speed... it's all some magical and uber-confusing "willy-nilly" behavior. Talk about autistic behavior... you repeat this non-sense in every Canon vs. Nikon thread as if everyone shares your inability to figure out simple controls.

Where's your rip on fotoMAGAZIN, Derrel? Did you miss that link?

Leave it to Derrel to get all tweaked when someone posts something that doesn't jive with his myopic view of the world. :lmao:

What was that Derrel said way back on page 3 of this thread?

That's it for me in this thread. THere are other threrads just like this if people wanna' read the same stuff at greater length.

I guess he couldn't resist after all... kind of like saying I was back on his ignore list. :meh:


Tim, you're kind of funny. But the fact remains, you're new to photography and have been shooting photos only for a little over two years now. You're a middle-aged advertising guy who had the money to get into photography and buy higher-end L-glass lenses and professional bodies, but the fact remains, you act like you're a seasoned shooter, but you actually have no basis from which to judge older Canon or older Nikon equipment,or current Nikon gear. My "myopic view" of the world is an amusing effort at a put-down, but I have over 35 years' experience in photography...you have what? Two and a half years now? Or is it three years?

I own a three-body, ten-lens Canon system, and a multi-body, over 50-lens Nikon system...I have vastly more experience with Nikon that you do, and this is the funny part, I have been a Canon owner longer than you too Tim!
InTempus is Tim, for those who do not recognize the name. Your inability to grasp the issues and the intricacies of Nikon versus Canon is in large part due to your inexperience level...you simply do NOT have the background in d-slr photography, or pre-digital photography to understand that, basically, you're a one-brand guy who ACTS like he's a seasoned shooter, but your experience does not go back far enough to give you any perspective in this issue. A few of us, guys who have been shooting 3-4 decades, have enough perspective and seasoning to be able to make arguments based on actual ownership and experience with *multiple* systems. You sadly, do not. And yet...you run your mouth as if you do...

You're a rookie at the Nikon-Canon arguments man. I appreciate that you're currently interested in photography, but please do not pretend that you have a real grasp of the issue based on actual ownership or use of Nikon cameras and lenses....I own two systems, Canon AND Nikon. You OTOH, are a Canon fanboy...look at your avatar image InTempus...there you are, with your pants down and your ego in your hand, pissing on a NIKON logo! How obvious is that! You identify so strongly with Canon that you have to piss on the competition that threatens your very identity! Sad.
 
Tim, you're kind of funny. But the fact remains, you're new to photography and have been shooting photos only for a little over two years now. You're a middle-aged advertising guy who had the money to get into photography and buy higher-end L-glass lenses and professional bodies, but the fact remains, you act like you're a seasoned shooter, but you actually have no basis from which to judge older Canon or older Nikon equipment,or current Nikon gear. My "myopic view" of the world is an amusing effort at a put-down, but I have over 35 years' experience in photography...you have what? Two and a half years now? Or is it three years?
What's funny is that you constantly feel the need to berate anyone that you dislike. You can't even disagree with me because I said nothing in my post with which you could disagree... :lmao:

This is in essence what I said, please point out where you disagree with my inexperienced opinion.

Originally posted by inTempus:
I wouldn't be so concerned with who has the better AF system as 99.99% of us will never use the cameras to their fullest potential. It's all mental gymnastics to sit around saying who has the best gear at the level these to titans play at. Neither is perfect and neither offer the ideal solution for all photographers. Pick one that works for you, go with it and be happy.

What, you don't like the links I posted showing that I've never found a single side-by-side shootout showing the D3 besting the 1D? As I said, that doesn't mean the 1D beats the D3. Here's my quote in case it eludes you.

Originally posted by inTempus:
I'm not saying that Canon's AF system is superior to Nikon's, I honestly can't say which is technically better nor do I really care. You'll find pretty much equal numbers in either camp that claim they have the best system. Both are very capable systems and will yield world class results if you take the time to learn the system you're using. They both have their quirks, yes even Nikon. I shoot with a 1D4 and it has plenty of quirks too... believe me.

Yeah, there I am pretending to be a 35 year pro saying one is vastly better than the other. Oh wait, I said nothing of the sort. Oops. That must mean you have some sort of ax to grind with me since you endlessly single me out for your little tirades.

I own a three-body, ten-lens Canon system, and a multi-body, over 50-lens Nikon system...I have vastly more experience with Nikon that you do, and this is the funny part, I have been a Canon owner longer than you too Tim!
What does this have to do with anything? Oh, that's right - nothing. We got it, you're an old man with a collection of cameras you like to take snap shots with and boast about. I would put my skills up against yours any day of the week, Derrel. So don't play your "I'm more experienced than you so shut up" routine. It carries no weight with me, or anyone else I would bet.

InTempus is Tim, for those who do not recognize the name.
More of your silly taunts. I've never posted as "Tim" here. So your feeble attempt to play some game to try and paint me as some kind of troll is just that, feeble. I'm sure this goes back to my alias change from "tharmsen" to "inTempus" (name change to company name - how sinister!). All of my old posts were updated with my new user name, so there's nothing hidden. But then you know that and it's just another cheap shot taken by you.

Some things never change.

Your inability to grasp the issues and the intricacies of Nikon versus Canon is in large part due to your inexperience level...you simply do NOT have the background in d-slr photography, or pre-digital photography to understand that, basically, you're a one-brand guy who ACTS like he's a seasoned shooter, but your experience does not go back far enough to give you any perspective in this issue.
Oh really, like what Derrel? What did I post in this thread which shows my inability to grasp intricacies? Humm? Let me help you, nothing. What all this boils down to is that I had the audacity to post in this thread and your ego couldn't handle it. This is all about you trying to be the alpha male.

But I did catch you, once again, saying how confused the Canon system makes you... it's all "willy-nilly" according to you. No fanboyism in that comment of yours. :lmao:

A few of us, guys who have been shooting 3-4 decades, have enough perspective and seasoning to be able to make arguments based on actual ownership and experience with *multiple* systems. You sadly, do not. And yet...you run your mouth as if you do...
Oh really, and what did I run my mouth about that you disagree with Derrel? Oh, that's right again - nothing. Your experience is sitting around reading endless web articles and regurgitating that "knowledge" here. If you spent half the time actually taking pictures vs. polishing your internet manhood on the forums you might actually accomplish something useful besides starting endless flame wars.

You're a rookie at the Nikon-Canon arguments man. I appreciate that you're currently interested in photography, but please do not pretend that you have a real grasp of the issue based on actual ownership or use of Nikon cameras and lenses....I own two systems, Canon AND Nikon. You OTOH, are a Canon fanboy...look at your avatar image InTempus...there you are, with your pants down and your ego in your hand, pissing on a NIKON logo! How obvious is that! You identify so strongly with Canon that you have to piss on the competition that threatens your very identity! Sad.
I am nothing like you, I'm not a fanboy. The avatar goes back to a thread that was a joke mocking threads exactly like this one, and you know it. But here you are, once again, playing your infantile games.

Point out EXACTLY what it is you disagree with in my original post. Show me where I'm being a fanboy, please. Show me where I say anything resembling one brand is better than the other.

This should be entertaining.
 
-The Nikon D3 line is currently better than Canon's 1 series overall. It is not as much of a difference as some try and make it out to be though.

-Nikon has a better metering system, this is a fact. Canon's metering system is however not all that far behind. Canon is no doubt working on this, as they would know they need to improve it far better than any of us here.

-Canon has the best crop body with the 7D. Even if you don't feel that these types of bodies are important, many people do.

- Yes megapixels matter, but not as much as some try and act like. Canon has the most for a crop body, and Nikon has the most for full-frame body.

-Canon currently has the best DSLR video by far. Again this is very important to some people, and some people could care less.

-The Nikon AF thing makes very little difference in the grand scheme of things. Both Canon and Nikon have very good AF systems.

-Canon has the largest selection and the best value in their telephoto lens line.

-The smaller Nikon mount seems to have proved itself 99.99% as capable as the larger (and re-designed) Canon mount. Canon only has two lenses that are faster than what Nikon offers, and they both have numerous problems. I own one of them and can honestly tell you that its not the holy grail of lenses, far from it in fact.

-The above being said, Canon has the fastest lenses currently available between the two companies. If this matters to you or not is a very subjective thing, and it does matter to me for example. Many people could care less about it though.

-Nikon has the best ISO performance across the board. Yes ISO performance is important, but no it’s not everything.

-Both of the companies latest 70-200mm 2.8 offerings are out of this world outstanding lenses. Most reviews put them so close that it’s not even really worth debating which is the best. Basically it doesn’t even matter.

- Are you starting to see my point?

This is my best attempt at showing everyone that both of these companies make outstanding bodies and lenses.

From my point of view Canon has long held the crown in the DSLR market, but they have recently fallen from glory (for the time being at least).

Nikon has shown the world with their D3 line that they mean business, and are taking no prisoners.

I have no doubt that this is going to motivate Canon to do better, and I expect that the competition will result in further innovation (a good thing).

The 7D has already shown us that Canon isn’t going to just roll over and die.

It's really not worth arguing this thing anymore. :mrgreen:
 
Cmon guys cant we all just get along. Who gives a sh*t just pic one and learn to use it. Or say eff it and shoot with an iphone. After all you are only cool nowadays if you like taking it from Steve Jobs without so much as a reach around.....too far? Personally I shoot canon and instead of a dual memory card slot, I have an extra slot where I keep all of my "awesomeness".....................true story.
 
Tim Harmsen (aka InTempus) is my personal internet stalker. Apparently my opinions are so influential that he has been writing a one-man poison pen blog about me for months now!

Derrel the Douche

Derrel The Douche blog URL, written by by InTempus. The Canon lover.

Everybody, please be sure to visit InTempus's blog where he runs me down. I'm pretty sure he need the hits to the page...

Again, just so you don't miss it:

Derrel the Douche

Derrel The Douche blog URL by InTempus

Also, please visit Tim's website and message forum, wwwdotKwanoniansdotcom, an homage to all things Canon,which Tim began himself. He loves his Canon stuff....
 
Tim Harmsen (aka InTempus) is my personal internet stalker. Apparently my opinions are so influential that he has been writing a one-man poison pen blog about me for months now!

Derrel the Douche

Derrel The Douche blog URL, written by by InTempus. The Canon lover.

Everybody, please be sure to visit InTempus's blog where he runs me down. I'm pretty sure he need the hits to the page...

Again, just so you don't miss it:

Derrel the Douche

Derrel The Douche blog URL by InTempus

Also, please visit Tim's website and message forum, wwwdotKwanoniansdotcom, an homage to all things Canon,which Tim began himself. He loves his Canon stuff....

OMW! Derrel i remember you from our debate over DSLR video in regards to the fake Nikon concept model, but wow, i never knew you could push someone so far....

but in all seriousness. i went through the blog. internet gives too much of a voice to the voiceless it seems....
 
Tim Harmsen (aka InTempus) is my personal internet stalker. Apparently my opinions are so influential that he has been writing a one-man poison pen blog about me for months now!

Derrel the Douche

Derrel The Douche blog URL, written by by InTempus. The Canon lover.

Everybody, please be sure to visit InTempus's blog where he runs me down. I'm pretty sure he need the hits to the page...

Again, just so you don't miss it:

Derrel the Douche

Derrel The Douche blog URL by InTempus

Also, please visit Tim's website and message forum, wwwdotKwanoniansdotcom, an homage to all things Canon,which Tim began himself. He loves his Canon stuff....

You're so vain, you probably think that thread is about you...

LOL

I'm content just to say I have a very low opinion of Nikon's thinking.
 
Tim Harmsen (aka InTempus) is my personal internet stalker. Apparently my opinions are so influential that he has been writing a one-man poison pen blog about me for months now!

Derrel the Douche

Derrel The Douche blog URL, written by by InTempus. The Canon lover.

Everybody, please be sure to visit InTempus's blog where he runs me down. I'm pretty sure he need the hits to the page...

Again, just so you don't miss it:

Derrel the Douche

Derrel The Douche blog URL by InTempus

Also, please visit Tim's website and message forum, wwwdotKwanoniansdotcom, an homage to all things Canon,which Tim began himself. He loves his Canon stuff....

In all fairness though...you do have a pornstar 'stache....or a cop......or a cop in a porn movie.....:mrgreen:..Anyway...is this blog for real or a gag?
 
Tim Harmsen (aka InTempus) is my personal internet stalker. Apparently my opinions are so influential that he has been writing a one-man poison pen blog about me for months now!

Derrel the Douche

Derrel The Douche blog URL, written by by InTempus. The Canon lover.

Everybody, please be sure to visit InTempus's blog where he runs me down. I'm pretty sure he need the hits to the page...

Again, just so you don't miss it:

Derrel the Douche

Derrel The Douche blog URL by InTempus

Also, please visit Tim's website and message forum, wwwdotKwanoniansdotcom, an homage to all things Canon,which Tim began himself. He loves his Canon stuff....

Bookmarked...
 

Create an account or login to comment

You must be a member in order to leave a comment

Create account

Create an account on our community. It's easy!

Log in

Already have an account? Log in here.

Back
Top Bottom