Canon or Nikon?

[Petraio Prime]

No, not 'better', just better adapted to the needs of the press.

Looking at the photographers at sporting events over the last 20 years you see overwhelmingly big Canon lenses. This is uncontrovertable.

Proof? A newspaper switching isn't proof.

Joe McNally has shot several cover stories for SPORTS Illustrated. He shoots Nikon. There! Proof! Oh wait...just using PP's logic here, sorry...

There's no point of reasoning with him. I gave up pages ago. lol

You're not reasoning. Look, I don't use Canon. I don't care about Canon. I use Leicaflex. Neither is as good as Leicaflex in absolute quality but that's not the issue. But the point is that the Canon's autofocus system cameras are better than Nikon's.

Period.

 

[Mbnmac]

Proof? A newspaper switching isn't proof.

Joe McNally has shot several cover stories for SPORTS Illustrated. He shoots Nikon. There! Proof! Oh wait...just using PP's logic here, sorry...

There's no point of reasoning with him. I gave up pages ago. lol

You're not reasoning. Look, I don't use Canon. I don't care about Canon. I use Leicaflex. Neither is as good as Leicaflex in absolute quality but that's not the issue. But the point is that the Canon's autofocus system cameras are better than Nikon's.

Period.

:lmao:

 

[Petraio Prime]

There's no point of reasoning with him. I gave up pages ago. lol

You're not reasoning. Look, I don't use Canon. I don't care about Canon. I use Leicaflex. Neither is as good as Leicaflex in absolute quality but that's not the issue. But the point is that the Canon's autofocus system cameras are better than Nikon's.

Period.

:lmao:

Wow, what an impressive argument.

 

[rpm]

Proof? A newspaper switching isn't proof.

Joe McNally has shot several cover stories for SPORTS Illustrated. He shoots Nikon. There! Proof! Oh wait...just using PP's logic here, sorry...

There's no point of reasoning with him. I gave up pages ago. lol

You're not reasoning. Look, I don't use Canon. I don't care about Canon. I use Leicaflex. Neither is as good as Leicaflex in absolute quality but that's not the issue. But the point is that the Canon's autofocus system cameras are better than Nikon's.

Period.

best argumentative response ever? :lmao:

question though are you basing that statement on the SWM from Nikon or their focusing motor?

 

[Gaerek]

Proof? A newspaper switching isn't proof.

Joe McNally has shot several cover stories for SPORTS Illustrated. He shoots Nikon. There! Proof! Oh wait...just using PP's logic here, sorry...

There's no point of reasoning with him. I gave up pages ago. lol

You're not reasoning. Look, I don't use Canon. I don't care about Canon. I use Leicaflex. Neither is as good as Leicaflex in absolute quality but that's not the issue. But the point is that the Canon's autofocus system cameras are better than Nikon's.

Period.

I highlighted the important parts. If that's the case, then why are you here? I think someone hit the nail on the head in a previous thread when they called you a contrarian. That's the only logical case I can make here.

One only needs to look as far back as the 1d mkIII to show that Canon's AF isn't always better than Nikon. Period.

I'm just curious why you believe this? Is it because Canon designed a system specifically for AF, while Nikon modified an existing system? Because, that's hardly a good argument. The proof is in the pudding, not the engineering. From everything I've read, and seen, Nikon camera's are at least as good, if not better than Canon in the AF department, especially recently (which, as far as time period is concerned, recently is ALL that matters). Scott Bourne switched from Canon (after something like 17 years shooting Canon) to Nikon SPECIFICALLY because of Canon's AF. There is no "...Canon's autofocus system cameras are better than Nikon's. Period." because it's simply not true.

Please do me a favor and actually make an argument. I feel like a broken record from the last thread I argued with you in. Just because Petraio Prime says something, doesn't make it so.

 

[Petraio Prime]

There's no point of reasoning with him. I gave up pages ago. lol

You're not reasoning. Look, I don't use Canon. I don't care about Canon. I use Leicaflex. Neither is as good as Leicaflex in absolute quality but that's not the issue. But the point is that the Canon's autofocus system cameras are better than Nikon's.

Period.

I highlighted the important parts. If that's the case, then why are you here?

To provide an informed, but unbiased point of view.

 

[Petraio Prime]

There's no point of reasoning with him. I gave up pages ago. lol

You're not reasoning. Look, I don't use Canon. I don't care about Canon. I use Leicaflex. Neither is as good as Leicaflex in absolute quality but that's not the issue. But the point is that the Canon's autofocus system cameras are better than Nikon's.

Period.

I highlighted the important parts. If that's the case, then why are you here? I think someone hit the nail on the head in a previous thread when they called you a contrarian. That's the only logical case I can make here.

One only needs to look as far back as the 1d mkIII to show that Canon's AF isn't always better than Nikon. Period.

I'm just curious why you believe this? Is it because Canon designed a system specifically for AF, while Nikon modified an existing system? Because, that's hardly a good argument. The proof is in the pudding, not the engineering. From everything I've read, and seen, Nikon camera's are at least as good, if not better than Canon in the AF department, especially recently (which, as far as time period is concerned, recently is ALL that matters). Scott Bourne switched from Canon (after something like 17 years shooting Canon) to Nikon SPECIFICALLY because of Canon's AF. There is no "...Canon's autofocus system cameras are better than Nikon's. Period." because it's simply not true.

Please do me a favor and actually make an argument. I feel like a broken record from the last thread I argued with you in. Just because Petraio Prime says something, doesn't make it so.

Can either of them focus through a net?

I doubt it.

:lmao:

 

[Derrel]

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Can either of them focus through a net?

I doubt it.

:lmao:

Set the focus limiter on a long lens or zoom lens and yes, it's quite easy to prevent an AF d-slr from focusing on a foreground target. Buuuuuut then Pee Pee, you don't use,or own an autofocus Canon or Nikon. So, go ahead and laugh your ass off...since those of us with ACTUAL EXPERIENCE with modern, not outdated 30-year-old Leicaflex SL-2 experience, understand that yes, a foreground obstacle is quite easy to deal with by using the
focus limiter. LMAO at your, "informed but unbiased point of view."

Your example photo is anything but "informed". And your bias against AF camera and lens systems is showing.

Nice try P-P, but you just look like a fool who does not own,or use, either Canon or Nikon autofocus cameras and lenses...you're coming into this discussion as the owner of a 30-plus year old, discontinued Leica R system. Your opinions are neither informed, nor are they unbiased.

 

[Petraio Prime]

[

Can either of them focus through a net?

I doubt it.

:lmao:

Set the focus limiter on a long lens or zoom lens and yes, it's quite easy to prevent an AF d-slr from focusing on a foreground target. Buuuuuut then Pee Pee, you don't use,or own an autofocus Canon or Nikon. So, go ahead and laugh your ass off...since those of us with ACTUAL EXPERIENCE with modern, not outdated 30-year-old Leicaflex SL-2 experience, understand that yes, a foreground obstacle is quite easy to deal with by using the
focus limiter. LMAO at your, "informed but unbiased point of view."

Your example photo is anything but "informed". And your bias against AF camera and lens systems is showing.

Nice try P-P, but you just look like a fool who does not own, or use, either Canon or Nikon autofocus cameras and lenses...you're coming into this discussion as the owner of a 30-plus year old, discontinued Leica R system. Your opinions are neither informed, nor are they unbiased.

You forgot that I sold photo equipment in the 90s and have been visiting stores and handing the equipment on a regular basis since.

The focus limiter works by distance, of course, but what about when the net isn't that far away from the subject? What do you do then? What about when he dribbles close to the net? What about when he shoots and you want a shot of the goalie diving for the ball? You're hosed, dude.

I was rather far away from this lad and the net, using a 350mm Telyt-R.

 

[usayit]

Pee-wee: There's a lotta things about me you don't know anything about, Dottie. Things you wouldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand. Things you shouldn't understand.
Dottie: I don't understand.
Pee-wee: You don't wanna get mixed up with a guy like me. I'm a loner, Dottie. A rebel. So long, Dott.

 

[Petraio Prime]

Pee-wee: There's a lotta things about me you don't know anything about, Dottie. Things you wouldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand. Things you shouldn't understand.
Dottie: I don't understand.
Pee-wee: You don't wanna get mixed up with a guy like me. I'm a loner, Dottie. A rebel. So long, Dott.

I don't need no stinkin' autofocus, meester....

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxURLFn6jU[/ame]

 

[Mbnmac]

You're not reasoning. Look, I don't use Canon. I don't care about Canon. I use Leicaflex. Neither is as good as Leicaflex in absolute quality but that's not the issue. But the point is that the Canon's autofocus system cameras are better than Nikon's.

Period.

:lmao:

Wow, what an impressive argument.

It's about as useful and conducive to the discussion as anything you've said yet
But this is always the case with trolls

 

[Petraio Prime]

:lmao:

Wow, what an impressive argument.

It's about as useful and conducive to the discussion as anything you've said yet
But this is always the case with trolls

A troll, I have learned, is a name applied on discussion groups to anyone who knows more than you.

If you don't understand, study. If you never heard it before, well no-one knows everything.

Just because you or none of your friends is acquainted with the truth does not make anything false. It just means you don't know.

 

[Gaerek]

You forgot that I sold photo equipment in the 90s and have been visiting stores and handing the equipment on a regular basis since.

You sold phot equipment in the 90's? Wow, I guess PP must be the all knowing, all seeing photographe...wait, no you're not a photographer, I almost forgot. Hey, can you get me a good deal on a new EOS-1N? Oh wait...that camera hasn't been relevant in over 10 years...

Can either of them focus through a net?

I doubt it.

:lmao:

Ok...why didn't I get the memo that modern cameras don't have Manual Focus? I mean, I've been doing it on mine for several years now. I guess I need to stop, because modern camera must mean automatic only!

Go play with your 30 year old equipment and have fun. Leave the talk about modern cameras (read: less than 10 years old) to people with actual experience with them. Mmmkay?

 

[Browncoat]

Really? This thread is still going?