CC - you gotta take it IF you wanna improve!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rosy]

Disregard my post

 

[Rosy]

I apologize for the large text everyone

 

[Kerbouchard]

Hi there everyone

Lately all I hear is: You are too harsh; your are too critical; all these CC guys/gals are arrogant - REALLY??????

This is a photography forum. YOU and only YOU choose to post your images and YOU request CC. If the heat turns up, then all goes sour. The only way to improve is to learn from your mistakes. Instead of getting defensive, take out a pencil and paper and jot down the professional advice you are getting for FREE.

If you want to hear the AHHH and WOW and great capture on your underexposed; unfocused image go to Project 365 and your photography techniques will stay stagnant - YOUR CHOICE

I hope that all this crying will not shy away the EXPERTS, that take their time to write paragraphs at a time, filled with detailed knowledgeable advice

For C&C; as requested. Your text is too large for comfortable viewing or analysis. You don't seem to understand the difference between "your" and "you're". You also tend to use the ; where a , would be more appropriate.

Additionally, you tend to make mistakes regarding adding, or omitting, words that make your point more difficult to understand, thus leading to a muddled composition.

Hope this helps...

 

[Rosy]

I shall correct -

 

[snowbear117 48]

You forgot to mention two things:
1. Showing you are following (or at least trying to follow) the advise in your subsequent postings will usually prevent further "negative" comments;
2. Don't make excuses.

 

[KmH]

Don't forget, the Beginner's forum is no longer a gallery or C&C forum section.

For C&C or just photo sharing, post in one of the forum's in the - Photo Galleries- Photos submitted by members for general display or critique. - section of TPF's various forums.

 

[Skyclad]

Hi there everyone

Lately all I hear is: You are too harsh; your are too critical; all these CC guys/gals are arrogant - REALLY??????

This is a photography forum. YOU and only YOU choose to post your images and YOU request CC. If the heat turns up, then all goes sour. The only way to improve is to learn from your mistakes. Instead of getting defensive, take out a pencil and paper and jot down the professional advice you are getting for FREE.

If you want to hear the AHHH and WOW and great capture on your underexposed; unfocused image go to Project 365 and your photography techniques will stay stagnant - YOUR CHOICE

I hope that all this crying will not shy away the EXPERTS, that take their time to write paragraphs at a time, filled with detailed knowledgeable advice

As for me, I have no problem with people being harsh or critical. Thats fine and dandy. What bugs me the most is when they are harsh and critical without providing any information or guidance.

For example, to paraphrase some ive seen lately: "Those pictures suck, my ex girlfriends FB photo page is more interesting", or "Thats a boring picture, its nothing more than a snapshot - take better pictures". And thats all they write. How are people supposed to learn from that? But I digress as I have a feeling thats not quite what you're referring to.


To quote one of pgriz's posts for example:

Image 1: good concept, but you're too close and the hands are large (due to perspective) compared to the head.
Image 2: Love it. but the lowest light is cut off by the table - either get it in fully, or edit it out. The roundness of the rest of the OOF lights is appealing, as is the placement and composition.
Image 3: excellent, except for the white at the extreme right, which competes for our attention. Also, you scalped her, which your friend may not appreciate.
Image 4: nice light, nice image, but it needs critical sharpness at the irises, a a touch more contrast to give it "pop".
Image 5: the tilt works for me, but again, the bright background competes for our attention. It's good, but too bright. You're using the DOF well, however.
Image 6: Again, good concept, pretty good execution. Don't particularly like the post-processing.
Image 7: Another very nice image, good use of DOF, light is excellent... but you scalped her.
Image 8: well captured. The upper right corner shows the edge of the vessel and diminishes the attractiveness of the image. Perhaps incorporating a little contrasting colour would also help.

That is extremely well done C&C for a beginner photographer as it encourages them by point out whats good with the photo and it tactfully points out what is wrong with the photo, and it also very helpfully gives guidance on what should be done (or not done) to improve further pictures.


Granted, some people are brutally honest to the point of being abrasive and thats fine as long as you can take a grain of salt while reading their C&C on your photo as long as they are also helpful at the same time by proving at least some sort of helpful tips, guidance or links to pages that will most certainly help the person.

And most are. I definitely don't want to spoil the lot of those that are by pointing out the ones that aren't. But when theres comments that just say "take better pictures" or "my ex girlfriends FB photo page is more interesting", thats when it gets on my nerves and I start to snap back at them even if its someone else's photos they are C&Cing on.

 

[GeorgieGirl]

As for me, I have no problem with people being harsh or critical. Thats fine and dandy. What bugs me the most is when they are harsh and critical without providing any information or guidance.

For example, to paraphrase some ive seen lately: "Those pictures suck, my ex girlfriends FB photo page is more interesting", or "Thats a boring picture, its nothing more than a snapshot - take better pictures". And thats all they write. How are people supposed to learn from that? But I digress as I have a feeling thats not quite what you're referring to.


I think most agree on these sorts of things. There is a cause and there is an effect. And the expectation is that people will be PC.

I feel, the part of the whole magilla that is missing, is the part were the self analysis occurs. The part where the presenter of the question logs on and puts up photos without doing any review of their own work against any of the others here. Plops down and says I am new, I just got a new camera, and all my friends tell me I am good. Here are my photos, what do you think.

And then people say what they think... I think they look like snapshots.

Experienced photographers know the minute they hear this sort of preamble what they are more often than not, going to find. And those who log on and think as though they are on equal footing or a level playing field are mistaken; the time and the effort has not been put in, nor has the time and effort to see what others have done. Their inspiration is the fact that friends and families are saying hey this looks great you should be a pro, and they start to believe that it can actually be that simple because they don't know any better. Its not their fault, they just don't know.

Some really want to know more and do what they need to and some want to go off and sulk and complain because no one has patience for them. Again, there are no shortcuts to learning to master something.

 

[Trever1t]

Oh please, not another thread like this......

 

[Rosy]

point well-taken

 

[Rosy]

Oh please, not another thread like this......

Sorry, I should have not posted this

 

[2WheelPhoto]

Oh please, not another thread like this......

Not enough of them today right

 

[dakkon76]

Oh, the irony...

 

[TCampbell]

If you want C&C, I suggest a person just post ONE photo. It's hard to give detailed and specific pointers on a large number of shots. The photo you select should look as though you did actually put some thought and effort into creating it.


You can generally tell how ll you did based on the level of the critique. If I see a dozen mistakes, I still won't point out more than two.... three tops! That critique will focus on the most basic/fundamental issues first (the camera wasn't level and you didn't straighten it. The subject is not focused. Etc.). I won't ask you to work on advanced technique if you are making basic errors. I also prefer to make sure the critique comes across positively (suggestions on what to watch for, consider, and try to improve -- rather than just "what I don't like"). If I'm nit-picking... that means you did well on the fundamentals. But if I'm pointing out fundamentals, that means you've got some homework to do. We will expect your NEXT set of photos to reflect that you took the homework seriously -- othwise you're just occupying our time to make conversation and not really serious.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Oh please, not another thread like this......

Sorry, I should have not posted this

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