CC - you gotta take it IF you wanna improve!!!!!!!!!!!!

[manaheim]

Oh please, not another thread like this......

Sorry, I should have not posted this

Congrats on your 222nd post! Let's party!

 

[Steve5D]

What bugs me the most is when they are harsh and critical without providing any information or guidance.

^^^^

THAT.

There's no shortage of people here who are quick to slam someone for whatever reason, yet are complete and utter failures at offering anything in the way of constructive criticism. I would imagine the reason for that is that their own photography skills are nothing special. To avoid having to try to come up with something helpful, they belch up clever little nuggets like "it's a snapshot".

It would be far more constructive if they'd just keep the pie-hole shut...

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

What bugs me the most is when they are harsh and critical without providing any information or guidance.

^^^^

THAT.

There's no shortage of people here who are quick to slam someone for whatever reason, yet are complete and utter failures at offering anything in the way of constructive criticism. I would imagine the reason for that is that their own photography skills are nothing special. To avoid having to try to come up with something helpful, they belch up clever little nuggets like "it's a snapshot".

It would be far more constructive if they'd just keep the pie-hole shut...

Didn't see THAT coming!

















Oh, wait. Yes I did.

 

[o hey tyler]

Sorry, I should have not posted this

Congrats on your 222nd post! Let's party!

 

[pgriz]

We've said it before (these themes come floating up on a regular basis), it takes some skill to give a good critique. Heavens knows, people tried, but just like reading the camera manual, it takes time and practice to get past the "know what to do" and actually do it well.

Some prior critique threads:
http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...ims-guide-getting-comments-your-pictures.html
http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...e-your-posts-get-critiques-your-work-c-c.html

some critique threads from other forums:
Comment & Critique 101 - Open Photography Forums
1x.com - How to Write Critique
Critiques- How to give and take-IMPORTANT

Part of the problem is that people don't know what they don't know, and beginners are often clueless as just how much they are not picking up on. That applies both to the photography aspect, and asking for comments or critique. On the other hand, people giving comments or critiques (which to my mind are not the same), often also don't know much about deconstructing what they see and then coherently describing their reactions and opinions. So we in effect get the conversations of mutes talking to deafs. As well, this being the internet, much rudeness and bad behaviour is facilitated by anonimity (sp?), which would more muted if people were actually responding face to face.


I personally try to respond to people on forums in the same way I would respond if the same person was sitting across the table from me. But the internet is also a rather poor medium for human interaction, as it is incapable of conveying body language, tone, nuance and context. The emoticons are helpful, but are still a very poor substitute for direct interpersonal interaction. Adding to the challenge is that many people on internet forums don't share English as a first language, and often have very different cultural experiences, where certain words or phrases, even when stated in the same language, give rise to very differing interpretations.

It therefore would be helpful to remind newcomers asking for C&C what the minimum information we would need to give good feedback, in a polite and respectful manner, and when providing the C&C concentrate on giving a clear explanation of our reactions to an image and our analysis.


Dang. got on the soapbox again. I always get nosebleeds when I climb so high. One of these days I'll learn.