Do Clients Always Want More?

[KmH]

Do Clients Always Want More?

Absolutely!

And I have a ready reply when they ask for more - "Sure, we can do that. All it takes is money."

The look on their face when they realize it's their money I'm referring to is priceless.

Quite a few successful retail photographers charge by the pose and by the sheet (prints). A sheet is usually an 8x10 size of print paper.
Two 4x5 prints = an 8x10. One 16x20 = 2 8x10's. and so on.

As an example and numbers to make the math eaxy:
1 pose on 1 sheet = $50. That could be one pose as 2 4x5 prints or 1 paoe as an 8x10
1 pose on 2 sheets = $100. that could be 2 8x10's, one 16x20, 1 8x10 and 2 4x5's, or 4 4x5's.
2 poses on 2 sheets = $200

 

[D-B-J]

Do Clients Always Want More?

Absolutely!

And I have a ready reply when they ask for more - "Sure, we can do that. All it takes is money."

The look on their face when they realize it's their money I'm referring to is priceless.

Hahaha. They want SO much sometimes and want to pay SOOO little.. All these FAUXtog's picking up a dslr and posting every single shot they take, crappy or otherwise, is really ruining the business. Kids my age (late teens and early 20's) seem to think photography is something where they should pay little for and get a lot of final product.

 

[W.Fovall]

I charge $125 a hour. includes Editing, digital CD and up to 50 4x6 prints

Do Clients Always Want More?

Absolutely!

And I have a ready reply when they ask for more - "Sure, we can do that. All it takes is money."

The look on their face when they realize it's their money I'm referring to is priceless.

Quite a few successful retail photographers charge by the pose and by the sheet (prints). A sheet is usually an 8x10 size of print paper.
Two 4x5 prints = an 8x10. One 16x20 = 2 8x10's. and so on.

As an example and numbers to make the math eaxy:
1 pose on 1 sheet = $50. That could be one pose as 2 4x5 prints or 1 paoe as an 8x10
1 pose on 2 sheets = $100. that could be 2 8x10's, one 16x20, 1 8x10 and 2 4x5's, or 4 4x5's.
2 poses on 2 sheets = $200

 

[KmH]

Do you "charge $125 a hour. includes Editing, digital CD and up to 50 4x6 prints" as your sole means of income and paying your non-reimbursed business expenses?

Or do you only do photography part time and have other income?

 

[tirediron]

I charge $125 a hour. includes Editing, digital CD and up to 50 4x6 prints

Sounds a little low to me; assuming that the CD includes 50 high-resolution images, that should be more in the $1200 - 1500 range at a minimum.

 

[W.Fovall]

I also own a computer company and drive a tow truck.

Do you "charge $125 a hour. includes Editing, digital CD and up to 50 4x6 prints" as your sole means of income and paying your non-reimbursed business expenses?

Or do you only do photography part time and have other income?

 

[W.Fovall]

cd only cost me about $1 and the prints are only $0.19 each. I just like to shoot feels like steeling to charge anything to make friends and play with my camera..

I charge $125 a hour. includes Editing, digital CD and up to 50 4x6 prints

Sounds a little low to me; assuming that the CD includes 50 high-resolution images, that should be more in the $1200 - 1500 range at a minimum.

 

[tirediron]

cd only cost me about $1 and the prints are only $0.19 each. I just like to shoot feels like steeling to charge anything to make friends and play with my camera..

I charge $125 a hour. includes Editing, digital CD and up to 50 4x6 prints

Sounds a little low to me; assuming that the CD includes 50 high-resolution images, that should be more in the $1200 - 1500 range at a minimum.

If it works for you... :thumbup:

 

[bribrius]

the little work i do.....(not a business) and i do virtually no portrait work.
i haven't given them anywhere near all the photos i took. Considering what it cost to print and edit they wouldn't pay me enough for that.

if they wanted more i would probably figure out something reasonable. I wouldn't let crap photos out there on someones wall with my name on them either put it that way.

on the other hand...
i keep in mind, that until like 1976 or something whatever photograph a photographer took belonged to the customer. So basically, the photos wouldn't have been yours to say no to back then the photos you took belonged to the customer you were just the hire.

while that has changed, the mentality hasn't. A photographer that gives a customer a unpleasing time about getting more photos will probably quickly lose a customer and hurt their reputation that way. The customer still BELIEVES they own the photos on many accounts. And realistically, they probably should a lot of times. you disappear or drop dead, now how do they get more photos. They cant, they are screwed with you holding their photos.

just putting it this way, to give a understanding of how a customer is.
And im honestly no different. i wanted to copy some of my kids school soccer photos once, photographer tried to sell me more with a even higher markup and didn't want the others copied.. And i take photos. i lit in to her pretty hard. Last thing i wanted to deal with was hunting her down for photos she didn't want to cough up without a large markup.

work it out with your customer, make sure you get paid, charge reasonably enough but make sure you don't tick them off, give out enough but don't give out utter crap you will kill your reputation that way as well. Remember there was a time, when every photo a photographer shot belonged to the customer. Legally, the customers property. And a lot of people still think that way. Photographers that play the hold and markup card usually quickly suffer from being replaced by their customer as people really just don't deal well in general with that.
Actually seems a lot of photographers go out of their way to tick people off sometimes maybe they should go out of business. Especially the wedding photographer horror stories i hear and holding prints and copyrights. wow. i cant believe none have been shot yet. Don't give them another reason NOT to hire a photographer they have enough already geez.

 

[bribrius]

I charge $125 a hour. includes Editing, digital CD and up to 50 4x6 prints

Do Clients Always Want More?

Absolutely!

And I have a ready reply when they ask for more - "Sure, we can do that. All it takes is money."

The look on their face when they realize it's their money I'm referring to is priceless.

Quite a few successful retail photographers charge by the pose and by the sheet (prints). A sheet is usually an 8x10 size of print paper.
Two 4x5 prints = an 8x10. One 16x20 = 2 8x10's. and so on.

As an example and numbers to make the math eaxy:
1 pose on 1 sheet = $50. That could be one pose as 2 4x5 prints or 1 paoe as an 8x10
1 pose on 2 sheets = $100. that could be 2 8x10's, one 16x20, 1 8x10 and 2 4x5's, or 4 4x5's.
2 poses on 2 sheets = $200

if i did more of it, i would probably just sell them the disc, and be done with it. One price for the hour, one for the shots they chose, another for the disc (once i delete out the ones i just couldn't let go they were that bad).
seems to be the way its going now too. People are selling the discs now.

 

[Scatterbrained]

People that came to me that wanted quantity rather than quality got referred to some other photographer.

The list of those other photographers was always changing becuase those other photographers kept going out of business.

Seems legit. I've been trying to "start" a business. Nothing official yet, just ramping up photo-shoots and editing practice and website building etc. I realize I need to up my keeper rate, but I refuse to provide shoddy photos just so they can "have a bunch." Is it irrational to take 20 photos of a single pose and only give them one? I just received a message to the effect of "given what we payed ($50) we expected more but that's okay." Kind of a slap in the face, given that I stated (yes, next time I will have a proper contract... Face palm) that I'd provide 15-20 final images.

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Given what they paid, they're getting more than enough. People need to understand a few things. One, you pay for quality (as has been pointed out). Two, just because they heard the shutter click doesn't mean they're getting that shot. I know of several shooters who "keep the shutter going" so to speak, just to get the subjects accustomed to it and help develop a flow to the shoot. That doesn't mean the people get every shot. Three, they really don't need 250 pictures of themselves in the same outfit taken in the same 3 locations. Really, they don't. They're never going to use them. Explain to them that a)they are getting the best shots, and b) all they will achieve by having 200+ photos from the same session is a dilution of the impact of each image. If you opened a copy of Vogue and there were 250 shots of some model in the same three outfits from the same shoot, it'd get boring pretty fast; but when it's a half dozen very good shots it leaves a much different impression.

 

[W.Fovall]

when i do just one on one shoots i take far less shots, groups are a pain to get more than 3 people to blink at the same time... and kids never stay still..

 

[bribrius]

when i do just one on one shoots i take far less shots, groups are a pain to get more than 3 people to blink at the same time... and kids never stay still..

well, scatterbrain is right above too.
They don't need two hundred shots. i agree. Maybe fifty on a disc whats the difference though? i have to confess, i never heard of anyone taking two hundred photos of the same person on the same shoot, least in normal photography outside of modeling. seems real high.

 

[D-B-J]

People that came to me that wanted quantity rather than quality got referred to some other photographer.

The list of those other photographers was always changing becuase those other photographers kept going out of business.

Seems legit. I've been trying to "start" a business. Nothing official yet, just ramping up photo-shoots and editing practice and website building etc. I realize I need to up my keeper rate, but I refuse to provide shoddy photos just so they can "have a bunch." Is it irrational to take 20 photos of a single pose and only give them one? I just received a message to the effect of "given what we payed ($50) we expected more but that's okay." Kind of a slap in the face, given that I stated (yes, next time I will have a proper contract... Face palm) that I'd provide 15-20 final images.

/endrant




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Given what they paid, they're getting more than enough. People need to understand a few things. One, you pay for quality (as has been pointed out). Two, just because they heard the shutter click doesn't mean they're getting that shot. I know of several shooters who "keep the shutter going" so to speak, just to get the subjects accustomed to it and help develop a flow to the shoot. That doesn't mean the people get every shot. Three, they really don't need 250 pictures of themselves in the same outfit taken in the same 3 locations. Really, they don't. They're never going to use them. Explain to them that a)they are getting the best shots, and b) all they will achieve by having 200+ photos from the same session is a dilution of the impact of each image. If you opened a copy of Vogue and there were 250 shots of some model in the same three outfits from the same shoot, it'd get boring pretty fast; but when it's a half dozen very good shots it leaves a much different impression.

Well said.


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[robbins.photo]

I also own a computer company and drive a tow truck.

You own a computer company but you drive a tow truck. Ok, have to admit I find that intriguing.

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