Drunk Bully gets one hit KO'd

[usayit]

I had to look that up. That is what I have known as a "sleeper hold" till now.

lol... dont worry.... we have all seen a bit too much TV wwf wrestling.

I have hear reverse neck choke and rear naked choke... but almost always referred to as a sleeper hold among common conversations.

Sleeper sounds a lot better than Naked

 

[Ballistics]

Deadly force is the force a person uses, that knows or should know, that would cause death or serious bodily harm.

I must have recited that line 500 times, when approached by a section leader and drilled about general orders and what could be considered deadly force. Striking (punching or kicking) in the head is considered deadly force.

Then, was not the drunk using deadly force?

A blow to the head, not a slap in the face.

 

[Josh66]

Sleeper sounds a lot better than Naked

The naked part threw me off till I read the description of it - naked, as in, you can perform the hold naked - it does not require the use of your clothing (which, apparently, some holds do...).

 

[Ballistics]

I had to look that up. That is what I have known as a "sleeper hold" till now.

The term rear naked choke is the translation from the judo technique called hadaka jime. I trian BJJ, and I use it all the time, and yes it's considered deadly force when applied in a combat situation.

 

[Ballistics]

Sleeper sounds a lot better than Naked

The naked part threw me off till I read the description of it - naked, as in, you can perform the hold naked - it does not require the use of your clothing (which, apparently, some holds do...).

Collar chokes, sleeve chokes, lapel chokes, all done with the article of clothing of either yourself or your opponent.

 

[Nikmal]

I am sorry this argument has gotten to the point of uselessness now. No one and I am mean no one on HERE knows the circumstances that happened before or what was going on at all as to why the crowd was egging him on. Arguing and debating that the guy deserved it or not or if the guy only got slapped that the sucker punch should not have happened. Again NONE OF IS KNOWS what happened or even if the guy that did the so called sucker punch was ot provoked earlier or not either. Again.. this is a moot point and a frivolous argument. One I am done with from here on out. It is a video that sensationalizes bullies and crowd mentalities. One that shopuld be shut off.. and a SERIOUS problem with today's youth and the internet. Thinking that everything should go up on you-tube and face book and it is ok to put what ever up on there. You guys are perpetuating it. I am done being that engine and will not further sensationalize this type of behavior from the video tapers... the crowd that participated and encouraged the fight.. the bully or some of the attitudes professed here. I am saddened by some of the behaviors I have seen here.

Thanks for opening my eyes.

 

[usayit]

Media is a tool that can be used in many ways..... Good and bad... exposing the problem as well as promote it.

Just today, a rape trial ended with a guilty verdict. The victim did could not bring memories of the attack but the videos and photos taken ended up being critical evidence. Rodney King would have never been a household name if it were not for the videographer who just happened to be around.

talking about it.... healthy discussions framed around the problem is the solution

NoT talking about it... just like what we have been doing in previous decades... IS Perpetuating it.


You are right about all the speculation and arm chair legal advice is absolutely silly.... but as to whether it should be discussed or exposed? you have it backwards.

 

[TATTRAT]

I didn't realize how many lol-yers were on this board, I guess it's the same all over the www.

 

[Ballistics]

Name names fellas. Who's being an armchair lawyer?

 

[TATTRAT]

Just the way some portions of this thread read, have you not read it? lol

Honestly, while I know it is part human instinct to be drawn to something like this, and while I think the drunk dude got what was coming to him, it was a real sucker punch. While I am not really for fighting, both the drunk, and the "puncher" are both in the wrong. It's also human nature I suppose to see those who deserve it get theirs, and the world of pocket camcorders/cameras has brought daily stuff like this to the main stream, it is still a drunk getting knocked out. . .lord, just wait to see the videos after tonight, the greatest amateur night there is!

I was in a similar situation back in the mid 90's where a dude was roughing his girlfriend up, I got involved, dude started **** with me, knocked dude out, and had the book thrown at me basically because the girlfriend didn't want to press charges on the a** that was being an abusive prick to her. Seems like today, even when trying to do the right thing, you can end up in more trouble than those committing the act.

 

[gsgary]

My partner is working on a case like this but he never got up hit his heads on curb of road and died so now hitter is going to prison where he will get beatten and buggered with a bit of luck

 

[MK3Brent]

Tap to the jaw, and it's lights out.

 

[Benco]

LOLololo

a bunch of arm chair lawyers here.

The bully deserved every bit of what he got..... Well.... except those that took shots at him once he was down. That was wrong. They should at least turn his head to make sure he doesnt choke on his tongue.

Actually you should assess his condition (after making sure you're not going to get flattened yourself and become another casualty), if he's unconscious and breathing then you do a secondary survey and if that doesn't flag anything up then put him in the recovery position, if he's not breathing then you clear his airway, if still not breathing then you immediately summon help and commence CPR.

my two cents worth as an armchair frist-aider.

 

[MK3Brent]

lol, as if no one has ever been knocked out before.

"He's going to slip into a coma because they don't know what they're doing..."

We're a nation full of know-it-all experts.

 

[Benco]

lol, as if no one has ever been knocked out before.

"He's going to slip into a coma because they don't know what they're doing..."

We're a nation full of know-it-all experts.

Well that sort of thing does happen, I'd sooner be in a position to help someone if I can even at risk of being called a 'know it all expert'.

Still maybe you're right and it's a nation thing, I don't live in the US so perhaps it's a cultural difference that I don't want to LOL at such things or just stand there going 'what do I do?' when things get gnarly.