Help Me! *Escort photo, anonymity* *Nsfw maybe*

[cauzimme]

I think you've gotten a lot of good advise here regarding how to attractively photograph a woman with out showing her face. And I think in the last couple of posts you're both rallying to your respective causes but your parting shot about "a lot of high end escorts" has me wondering: have you ever taken pictures of any? And if so why not post some of those instead...

No I haven't yet, I'm only starting doing digital again, after a 3 years break.
It doesn't mean I don't know any. I'm in the industry, I'm the co founder of the biggest North America Independant Cooperative.
After, high end definition can differ for some, but all the ladies I know are 200 or higher, which in Montreal, the market start at 50 and finish around 500. A Lady working at 450\h in the usa would be around 300 in Montreal. No wonder why Montreal is a sexual touristic destination. Ladies I know and befriended are not prostitutes but Escorts, Courtesans, you'll probably say it's only semantic, but no. The service is far different. Plus a prostitute won't need photos.

 

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MOD WARNING - there have been a few comments raised already - this is the one and only warning for this thread for people NOT to engage in debate/argument/etc... regarding the nature of escort work. Keep it to photography people.
I'm aware that the nature of this area varies internationally - lets all respect this on both sides.

Side note - any wishing to air their discomfort at this associated content on the site please contact one of the admins/mods via private messages/conversations or raise a support thread in the support section for proper discussion.

Maybe a bit blunt, but my advice is to throw it away....it is simply a terrible shot. You say you want to become a professional photographer...then spend the time and effort to study lighting, posing and other aspects of (studio, in this case) photography.

Ok.
Because doing photos for someone is not considered by you at least as putting time and effort in learning, studying and trying to improve. Good to know, thanks for telling me

Gosh, there's a lot of condescending people around here, so much fun.

I think you missed Didereaux's point a little.
Be believe his point is that your bulk of practice should be performed in an atmosphere where you are not producing a product for a client - ergo that when you are producing a product for a client you should be producing a finished product not experimenting with getting to that product for the client. Of course in the real world many photographers will mix and match - using a series of known working methods to get a product during a shoot and then experiment with new methods alongside. Further if you don't normally have access to models to experiment with sometimes trade for prints or other exchanges of skills can allow you to experiment whilst there is a product involved.

That way when you are hired by a client you are able to produce for their needs. Granted this sounds like the whole "no face thing" is fairly new thing for you to have to deal with; or one you've not had to work with as much.

 

[cauzimme]

MOD WARNING - there have been a few comments raised already - this is the one and only warning for this thread for people NOT to engage in debate/argument/etc... regarding the nature of escort work. Keep it to photography people.
I'm aware that the nature of this area varies internationally - lets all respect this on both sides.

Side note - any wishing to air their discomfort at this associated content on the site please contact one of the admins/mods via private messages/conversations or raise a support thread in the support section for proper discussion.

Maybe a bit blunt, but my advice is to throw it away....it is simply a terrible shot. You say you want to become a professional photographer...then spend the time and effort to study lighting, posing and other aspects of (studio, in this case) photography.

Ok.
Because doing photos for someone is not considered by you at least as putting time and effort in learning, studying and trying to improve. Good to know, thanks for telling me

Gosh, there's a lot of condescending people around here, so much fun.

I think you missed Didereaux's point a little.
Be believe his point is that your bulk of practice should be performed in an atmosphere where you are not producing a product for a client - ergo that when you are producing a product for a client you should be producing a finished product not experimenting with getting to that product for the client. Of course in the real world many photographers will mix and match - using a series of known working methods to get a product during a shoot and then experiment with new methods alongside. Further if you don't normally have access to models to experiment with sometimes trade for prints or other exchanges of skills can allow you to experiment whilst there is a product involved.

That way when you are hired by a client you are able to produce for their needs. Granted this sounds like the whole "no face thing" is fairly new thing for you to have to deal with; or one you've not had to work with as much.

Yeah, but you also missed my point, I'm not producing for a Client, as I'm not getting paid, friends need photos, I practice with them... I ask for a specific advice and I'm getting rock throwed, no needs to contact any mods, I'm out.

Again thanks for the great advice folks.

 

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Yeah, but you also missed my point, I'm not producing for a Client, as I'm not getting paid, friends need photos, I practice with them... I ask for a specific advice and I'm getting rock throwed, no needs to contact any mods, I'm out.

Again thanks for the great advice folks.

I believe earlier posts by you in the thread did not convey the nature of the situation between you and the model; thus people assumed that as you were talking and dealing with it in a more professional situation; that it was a professional shoot - thus the comments to the effect. People were doing their best to help ensure that as you "worked" you were going to present yourself in the best possible light and with the best possible skills to maximise your potential. It's an issue some can get a little passionate over (often those who have a professional background and have - often as not - retired or are still working in the professional photography world).

In the end sometimes even with informal encounters having a professional approach can help do wonders.

 

[runnah]

I will also add that in her country, Canada, prostitution is legal (mostly).

So bear that in mind.

 

[Braineack]

Blurred face to me also suggests you stole images. Creative posing suggests real deal.

using tapatalk.

 

[limr]

Trever I was thinking along the same lines about what was meant by the term escort here. But there, as I've since found out, apparently escort = prostitute. I could be mistaken but I think the reference has been made to being sex workers.

So no, I don't think you'll find professional (or aspiring pro) photographers doing these type photo shoots here to be able to share about how they hide a subject's face etc. It would be risking your own professional reputation to work with clients knowing they're involved in illegal activities, and here it often occurs along with drug addiction and illegal drug activity and may involve sex for drugs etc. so I doubt a pro (or aspiring) photographer is going to knowingly work with clients involved in something illegal, or that there would be a paying client base for these type portraits.

If you're doing boudoir photography, there are photographers here who do that and might share ideas or provide feedback. But those clients or models would not have to have faces blurred etc. because they don't need to hide their identity.

You just sound like a pretentious fool. For someone who just learned what the true definition of what is an escort and what kind of service they provided, you suddenly seems to know a lot about it or should I say assume a lot. Nice stereotypes you have here. So tell me ? You know a lot of high end escort ? You base your supposition on what ? Movies, Media, litterature, yeah, that's what I thought. You're not even worthy of a debate. Thanks for the lol.

That wasn't fair. Sharon wasn't being a "pretentious fool" but perhaps just missed the fact that being a sex worker is legal where you are. And sorry, but in the States, for the most part, being a sex worker is a risky, illegal activity that does often involve drug use as well as violence. That's not a stereotype - it's a fact of life for many prostitutes working in this country. "High end escorts" are not nearly as common.

I'm not making any arguments if prostitution should or shouldn't be legal, and I'm making no judgement statements about it at all. I'm simply explaining that we have different associations with the terms "escort" or "sex worker" or "prostitute" because of how it works here. (For the record, "escort" can have different associations here, and it doesn't automatically refer to a sex worker.) And unless it's for journalistic, artistic or documentary purposes, taking photos of sex workers with the purpose of eliciting business could potentially create legal issues for the photographer, so Sharon's comments are actually quite valid for photographers here. Obviously if being an escort is legal where you are, the comments don't apply, but that doesn't warrant your being so dismissive of them.

Just as a reference, I grew up outside of NYC and when someone said "escort," it meant that someone was a prostitute but was trying to sound fancy. And when we thought of "prostitute" we thought of Hunts Point in the Bronx. And this is what that was like:

The faces of poverty, despair and addiction inside 'New York's Red Light District' captured by an ex-Wall Street banker

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/nyregion/at-52-a-prostitute-still-working-the-streets.html
"While it is impossible to corroborate all the details of an eventful life in a profession often synonymous with drug abuse, violence and tragic outcomes, the Correction Department confirmed that Ms. Terry had been jailed many times for prostitution over her career."

 

[cauzimme]

Trever I was thinking along the same lines about what was meant by the term escort here. But there, as I've since found out, apparently escort = prostitute. I could be mistaken but I think the reference has been made to being sex workers.

So no, I don't think you'll find professional (or aspiring pro) photographers doing these type photo shoots here to be able to share about how they hide a subject's face etc. It would be risking your own professional reputation to work with clients knowing they're involved in illegal activities, and here it often occurs along with drug addiction and illegal drug activity and may involve sex for drugs etc. so I doubt a pro (or aspiring) photographer is going to knowingly work with clients involved in something illegal, or that there would be a paying client base for these type portraits.

If you're doing boudoir photography, there are photographers here who do that and might share ideas or provide feedback. But those clients or models would not have to have faces blurred etc. because they don't need to hide their identity.

You just sound like a pretentious fool. For someone who just learned what the true definition of what is an escort and what kind of service they provided, you suddenly seems to know a lot about it or should I say assume a lot. Nice stereotypes you have here. So tell me ? You know a lot of high end escort ? You base your supposition on what ? Movies, Media, litterature, yeah, that's what I thought. You're not even worthy of a debate. Thanks for the lol.

That wasn't fair. Sharon wasn't being a "pretentious fool" but perhaps just missed the fact that being a sex worker is legal where you are. And sorry, but in the States, for the most part, being a sex worker is a risky, illegal activity that does often involve drug use as well as violence. That's not a stereotype - it's a fact of life for many prostitutes working in this country. "High end escorts" are not nearly as common.

I'm not making any arguments if prostitution should or shouldn't be legal, and I'm making no judgement statements about it at all. I'm simply explaining that we have different associations with the terms "escort" or "sex worker" or "prostitute" because of how it works here. (For the record, "escort" can have different associations here, and it doesn't automatically refer to a sex worker.) And unless it's for journalistic, artistic or documentary purposes, taking photos of sex workers with the purpose of eliciting business could potentially create legal issues for the photographer, so Sharon's comments are actually quite valid for photographers here. Obviously if being an escort is legal where you are, the comments don't apply, but that doesn't warrant your being so dismissive of them.

Just as a reference, I grew up outside of NYC and when someone said "escort," it meant that someone was a prostitute but was trying to sound fancy. And when we thought of "prostitute" we thought of Hunts Point in the Bronx. And this is what that was like:

The faces of poverty, despair and addiction inside 'New York's Red Light District' captured by an ex-Wall Street banker

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/nyregion/at-52-a-prostitute-still-working-the-streets.html
"While it is impossible to corroborate all the details of an eventful life in a profession often synonymous with drug abuse, violence and tragic outcomes, the Correction Department confirmed that Ms. Terry had been jailed many times for prostitution over her career."

Now explain me your logic
Why would Street Walkers, because ((what you linked )are street workers)) need photos, not cellphone photos, but real photos, why would they need a branded image, website and everything if they are working from the corner ? See that doesn't make sense, Shannon remarks was full of prejudice, judgement and carrying on stereotypes and thats why I call him\her, pretentious fool.

Oh and sorry but some of you are somewhat brainwashed by the media. Yes misery exist, it is sad. But Saying that HDH are pretty rare is totally ridiculous. I've been in the states, I've assisted to Sex workers convention, festival on the west coast, mixing streets, middle class and High end girls. You might also wants to google escorts USA, and read reviews on TER, you'll see an adequate representation of the market, versus the streets only... I'm not speaking on an unkown subject... You want to carry on stereotype, go judge, I'll do the same.

I'm a ***** and strong advocate of Sex workers right and yes I bite.

 

[cauzimme]

Mod you can lock the thread, no interesting conversation will ever raise again from this thread...
I've got the advice I was looking for.

 

[limr]

Mod you can lock the thread, no interesting conversation will ever raise again from this thread...
I've got the advice I was looking for.

You mean you listened to the nice comments and dismissed anything you didn't want to hear.

You're right - nothing good will come of this thread.

Her name is Sharon, not Shannon. But I suppose you don't really care about accuracy, do you?

 

[cauzimme]

Mod you can lock the thread, no interesting conversation will ever raise again from this thread...
I've got the advice I was looking for.

You mean you listened to the nice comments and dismissed anything you didn't want to hear.

You're right - nothing good will come of this thread.

Her name is Sharon, not Shannon. But I suppose you don't really care about accuracy, do you?

No I mean the ones that gave me advice on the subject... Not on a debate...
I ask for a specific question, got answers, image shouldn't be crop or blurred but I need creative posing and props.... The shooting is not usable (for me) I don't see dismissed information? For a girl who dissmissed I did answer to everyone.

You mean, I dismissed false informations as sex workers are associated with drugs and criminal activities, a nice accurate portrait. Yeah and you're pointing my accuracy, let me lol.

*Sharon, it wasn't on purpose.
I ^pick my battle, fighting over a name error isn't one. Sorry for the misspelling.

 

[terri]

Closed per OP's request.