How do you conquer "no trespassing" signs?

[unpopular]

And if you fall down, go boom? Who is responsible for saving your stupid butt, and paying your healthcare bills? Ah... the PROPERTY OWNER.. thats who, even though you were ILLEGALLY trespassing, The Owner gets the shaft! Because in our society, you could probably sue and win... how stupid is that?

So you are saying it is not UNETHICAL to ignore NO TRESSPASSING SIGNS?

That is just the most STUPID thing I've ever heard. You don't have to sue the property owner, and if you're insured then you can opt to pay the bill yourself to avoid it - not that it really matters if you violated trespassing signs.

How many of the people that trespass are insured, do you think? The vast majority? Or hardly any of them?

If some 16 year old stoner see you, the illustrious insured photographer, climbing a fence to go shoot in dangerous area, is he going to walk away? Or is he going to think, "Wow.. must be something cool there... need to check it out!"

None of this quite literally has ANYTHING to do with trespassing. Anything *at all*. There's nothing forcing you to sue the land owner.

Perhaps suing a landowner for your stupidity is immoral (though it's unlikely you'd win), but this is not the same act as trespassing.

If I got hurt trespassing, I wouldn't sue the land owner, and I'd like to believe I'd try to prevent my insurance company from doing so.

 

[unpopular]

Don't really appreciate what? I'm asking if you ignore the sign, do your thing, and leave? I'll assume you would take care of whatever might happen while you're there, you seem like a decent person.

Sorry, I was confused by the context. If I was feeling adventuous, I would. It's not like you're going to get a record for misdemeanor trespassing. I'm not sure I've even ever heard of anyone getting into too much trouble, unless it's like public transportation facilities, sewers, etc.

 

[cgipson1]

That is just the most STUPID thing I've ever heard. You don't have to sue the property owner, and if you're insured then you can opt to pay the bill yourself to avoid it - not that it really matters if you violated trespassing signs.

How many of the people that trespass are insured, do you think? The vast majority? Or hardly any of them?

If some 16 year old stoner see you, the illustrious insured photographer, climbing a fence to go shoot in dangerous area, is he going to walk away? Or is he going to think, "Wow.. must be something cool there... need to check it out!"

None of this quite literally has NOTHING to do with trespassing. Nothing *at all*. There's nothing forcing you to sue the land owner.

Perhaps suing a landowner for your stupidity is immoral (though it's unlikely you'd win), but this is not the same act as trespassing.

If I got hurt trespassing, I wouldn't sue the land owner.

And if your injuries cost a couple of hundred thousand dollars? And you won't even walk again without expensive surgery that YOU can't afford? Sorry... I find it difficult to believe you wouldn't sue!

 

[thetrue]

And if you fall down, go boom? Who is responsible for saving your stupid butt, and paying your healthcare bills? Ah... the PROPERTY OWNER.. thats who, even though you were ILLEGALLY trespassing, The Owner gets the shaft! Because in our society, you could probably sue and win... how stupid is that?

So you are saying it is not UNETHICAL to ignore NO TRESSPASSING SIGNS?

That is just the most STUPID thing I've ever heard. You don't have to sue the property owner, and if you're insured then you can opt to pay the bill yourself to avoid it - not that it really matters if you violated trespassing signs.

How many of the people that trespass are insured, do you think? The vast majority? Or hardly any of them? And will a Insurance company cover injuries suffered during unethical, illegal, risk-taking behavior?

If some 16 year old stoner see you, the illustrious insured photographer, climbing a fence to go shoot in dangerous area, is he going to walk away? Or is he going to think, "Wow.. must be something cool there... need to check it out!"

Oh.. and you didn't answer the 2ND PART of my Question : "So you are saying it is not UNETHICAL to ignore NO TRESSPASSING SIGNS?"

On one hand, I agree with your 16 year old stoner scenario, but on the hand I feel like that 16 year old stoner really shouldn't be your responsibility. His mom didn't ask me to make sure he's being good, and sneakily doing his own thing in a bush doesn't warrant my liability at all.

 

[cgipson1]

My main point is that is illegal to trespass.. whether you get caught or not. Whether you get injured or not.

I have already lost venues I used to shoot in.. because of IDIOTS with cameras that just figured it would be ok. They didn't ask, they didn't get permits, they didn't pay that small fee... etc. They ignored the signs. As photographers, Do we really want to be part of the problem... and create negative feeling that will affect future photographers?

 

[cgipson1]

That is just the most STUPID thing I've ever heard. You don't have to sue the property owner, and if you're insured then you can opt to pay the bill yourself to avoid it - not that it really matters if you violated trespassing signs.

How many of the people that trespass are insured, do you think? The vast majority? Or hardly any of them? And will a Insurance company cover injuries suffered during unethical, illegal, risk-taking behavior?

If some 16 year old stoner see you, the illustrious insured photographer, climbing a fence to go shoot in dangerous area, is he going to walk away? Or is he going to think, "Wow.. must be something cool there... need to check it out!"

Oh.. and you didn't answer the 2ND PART of my Question : "So you are saying it is not UNETHICAL to ignore NO TRESSPASSING SIGNS?"

On one hand, I agree with your 16 year old stoner scenario, but on the hand I feel like that 16 year old stoner really shouldn't be your responsibility. His mom didn't ask me to make sure he's being good, and sneakily doing his own thing in a bush doesn't warrant my liability at all.

And if it is YOUR land that he is trespassing on? When he falls on that sharp pipe, or in the deep hole? I hope you are well insured.. he may not sue, but his parents will!!!! lol!

 

[unpopular]

How many of the people that trespass are insured, do you think? The vast majority? Or hardly any of them?

If some 16 year old stoner see you, the illustrious insured photographer, climbing a fence to go shoot in dangerous area, is he going to walk away? Or is he going to think, "Wow.. must be something cool there... need to check it out!"

None of this quite literally has NOTHING to do with trespassing. Nothing *at all*. There's nothing forcing you to sue the land owner.

Perhaps suing a landowner for your stupidity is immoral (though it's unlikely you'd win), but this is not the same act as trespassing.

If I got hurt trespassing, I wouldn't sue the land owner.

And if your injuries cost a couple of hundred thousand dollars? And you won't even walk again without expensive surgery that YOU can't afford? Sorry... I find it difficult to believe you wouldn't sue!

Either way, that's not trespassing, that's what I decide to do with the consequences of my trespassing. If i did sue, perhaps that would be unethical. As a rule, I typically don't agree with the whole attractive nuisance doctrine.

 

[cgipson1]

None of this quite literally has NOTHING to do with trespassing. Nothing *at all*. There's nothing forcing you to sue the land owner.

Perhaps suing a landowner for your stupidity is immoral (though it's unlikely you'd win), but this is not the same act as trespassing.

If I got hurt trespassing, I wouldn't sue the land owner.

And if your injuries cost a couple of hundred thousand dollars? And you won't even walk again without expensive surgery that YOU can't afford? Sorry... I find it difficult to believe you wouldn't sue!

Either way, that's not trespassing, that's what I decide to do with the consequences of my trespassing. If i did sue, perhaps that would be unethical. As a rule, I typically don't agree with the whole attractive nuisance doctrine.

But maybe it is a GOOD REASON not to trespass??

 

[unpopular]

How many of the people that trespass are insured, do you think? The vast majority? Or hardly any of them? And will a Insurance company cover injuries suffered during unethical, illegal, risk-taking behavior?

If some 16 year old stoner see you, the illustrious insured photographer, climbing a fence to go shoot in dangerous area, is he going to walk away? Or is he going to think, "Wow.. must be something cool there... need to check it out!"

Oh.. and you didn't answer the 2ND PART of my Question : "So you are saying it is not UNETHICAL to ignore NO TRESSPASSING SIGNS?"

On one hand, I agree with your 16 year old stoner scenario, but on the hand I feel like that 16 year old stoner really shouldn't be your responsibility. His mom didn't ask me to make sure he's being good, and sneakily doing his own thing in a bush doesn't warrant my liability at all.

And if it is YOUR land that he is trespassing on? When he falls on that sharp pipe, or in the deep hole? I hope you are well insured.. he may not sue, but his parents will!!!! lol!

The reason why you can sue in the first place is because the law places some responsibility on property owners to maintain their property. I don't always necessarily agree, but I think there is sense in it. Doesn't the landowner have a responsibility to upkeep their property such that it doesn't attract stoner kids, junkies and photographers, or, in the very least ensure that absolutely nobody may enter if it's THAT dangerous?

Like I said, I see the point, but IMO the violation of trespass over shadows the landowners' responsibility.

 

[cgipson1]

On one hand, I agree with your 16 year old stoner scenario, but on the hand I feel like that 16 year old stoner really shouldn't be your responsibility. His mom didn't ask me to make sure he's being good, and sneakily doing his own thing in a bush doesn't warrant my liability at all.

And if it is YOUR land that he is trespassing on? When he falls on that sharp pipe, or in the deep hole? I hope you are well insured.. he may not sue, but his parents will!!!! lol!

The reason why you can sue in the first place is because the law places some responsibility on property owners to maintain their property. I don't always necessarily agree, but I think there is sense in it. Doesn't the landowner have a responsibility to upkeep their property such that it doesn't attract stoner kids, junkies and photographers, or, in the very least ensure that absolutely nobody may enter if it's THAT expensive?

Like I said, I see the point, but IMO the violation of trespass over shadows the landowners' responsibility.

Not in a courtroom, with sleazy, money hungry lawyers wanting their huge cut!

 

[unpopular]

And if your injuries cost a couple of hundred thousand dollars? And you won't even walk again without expensive surgery that YOU can't afford? Sorry... I find it difficult to believe you wouldn't sue!

Either way, that's not trespassing, that's what I decide to do with the consequences of my trespassing. If i did sue, perhaps that would be unethical. As a rule, I typically don't agree with the whole attractive nuisance doctrine.

But maybe it is a GOOD REASON not to trespass??

Perhaps. Like I said, I don't really trespass.

 

[cgipson1]

Either way, that's not trespassing, that's what I decide to do with the consequences of my trespassing. If i did sue, perhaps that would be unethical. As a rule, I typically don't agree with the whole attractive nuisance doctrine.

But maybe it is a GOOD REASON not to trespass??

Perhaps. Like I said, I don't really trespass.

Never said you did! lol!

 

[unpopular]

And if it is YOUR land that he is trespassing on? When he falls on that sharp pipe, or in the deep hole? I hope you are well insured.. he may not sue, but his parents will!!!! lol!

The reason why you can sue in the first place is because the law places some responsibility on property owners to maintain their property. I don't always necessarily agree, but I think there is sense in it. Doesn't the landowner have a responsibility to upkeep their property such that it doesn't attract stoner kids, junkies and photographers, or, in the very least ensure that absolutely nobody may enter if it's THAT expensive?

Like I said, I see the point, but IMO the violation of trespass over shadows the landowners' responsibility.

Not in a courtroom!

Unfortunately, no. But it is more complicated than you're making it out to be, and simply because you get hurt doesn't automatically guarantee you'll win the lawsuit either.

A settlement, otoh, might be pretty likely.

 

[cgipson1]

The reason why you can sue in the first place is because the law places some responsibility on property owners to maintain their property. I don't always necessarily agree, but I think there is sense in it. Doesn't the landowner have a responsibility to upkeep their property such that it doesn't attract stoner kids, junkies and photographers, or, in the very least ensure that absolutely nobody may enter if it's THAT expensive?

Like I said, I see the point, but IMO the violation of trespass over shadows the landowners' responsibility.

Not in a courtroom!

Unfortunately, no. But it is more complicated than you're making it out to be, and simply because you get hurt doesn't automatically guarantee you'll win the lawsuit either.

A settlement, otoh, might be pretty likely.

Yea.. which still screws the land / property owner, as his insurance rates will go up... and they will probably be forced to spend a lot of money trying even harder to prevent the trespassing which they weren't responsible for, in the first place.

 

[thetrue]

I'm well insured, I need to be to protect my business, and I have a few layers of legal protection before anyone can get to my bank account with a lawsuit, I understand your argument though Charlie

Unpopular, you do make a good point though, the consequences of your trespassing would outweigh the fact that you trespassed in the first place. And a misdemeanor may actually screw up one if my accounts.....it's a government thing, and they sure do pay