iPhone 5, meh....

[Majeed Badizadegan]

Interesting side by side of the S3 and iPhone 5, put out by Samsung's marketing:

Samsung responds to the iPhone 5 with inflammatory new ad | The Verge

 

[Derrel]

Look at Apple's MARKET CAP though Buckster. And look at their share price, cash reserves, and profitability. I think you're forgetting something critical: the "other" guys have lost control of their intellectual property, or are using SHARED IP, and are in a race to the bottom in terms of per-unit price. Yeah....a lot of cheap Windows phones and other windoid products are being sold...but Apple's market cap, share price, and profit makes the Windoze players for the most part look like what they are...makers of cheap,low-profit-margin "commodity" products. McDonald's sells HUNDREDS OF TONS of "food items" each week too....at an average per-unit retail of what? $1.49??? lol... Unit sales don't mean SQUAT...

Apple's market captitalization is what now??? Is it 30 times that of Sony?? A single share of APple is selling for hoiw much over $600 these days???

I think you've got some concepts kinda confused, dude...Apple is probably the most high-profit, highly sought-after, cash-RICH company in the entire electronics market...and yet, you seem to think that Apple, and its products are "irrelevant". Maybe you're using that word incorrectly??? or maybe it doesn't mean whatcha' think it means???

Poor SONY, for example, this NYT article on August 23,2012 leads with this: "The crunch among handset makers who are not Samsung and Apple continues apace. Today, Android OEM Sony announced that its loss-making mobile handset division Sony Mobile Communications would be laying out 15% of its workforce — 1,000 people approximately — as part of a bigger restructuring." Sony Mobile To Lay Off 1,000 People, Move HQ To Tokyo From Sweden As Part of Restructuring | TechCrunch

 

[Derrel]

Samsung...the Korean electronic giant that a court last month ruled owes Apple $1.049 BILLION US Dollars for stealing Apple intellectual property....you mean THAT Samsung? Yeah...I wonder how that'll end up working out.

Apple decisively wins Samsung trial: what it means | The Verge

Yeah, Samsung...I've heard of those guys!!!!

 

[pixmedic]

seriously tho..everyone knows Motorola makes the best phones. fo realz yo.

 

[SamSpade1941]

Something like 90% too right?

Correct.

As a company, yes, they sell more cell phones than any other single company at present, but do the math, and you'll see that's temporary, just like it's always been with Apple products.

Actually market analysis would belie that point based on past sales of the iPhone from 2007 to the present. , also we have no figures to work with on the iPhone 5 sales as yet. What you will end up seeing is that the iPhone 5 will break all previous sales records when they numbers end up coming out. Most likely it will rocket the shares of Apple even higher into the stratosphere if thats even possible.

 

[gerardo2068]

Also. Apple usually features and they become relevant. Not hurry to push out there every new technology without having a plan first. That why I'm in no hurry. Research it your self, NFC only 2% ready available in the market.

 

[Majeed Badizadegan]

Samsung...the Korean electronic giant that a court last month ruled owes Apple $1.049 BILLION US Dollars for stealing Apple intellectual property....you mean THAT Samsung? Yeah...I wonder how that'll end up working out.

Apple decisively wins Samsung trial: what it means | The Verge

Yeah, Samsung...I've heard of those guys!!!!

And bravo to them for having the balls to still put out this marketing!

If you're gonna go down, might as well go down swinging!

Did you look at the side-by-side specs? I'm actually shocked at how much better the SIII looks, on paper.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

seriously tho..everyone knows Motorola makes the best phones. fo realz yo.

I LOVED my moto Razr flip phone! :heart:

 

[Buckster]

Look at Apple's MARKET CAP though Buckster. And look at their share price, cash reserves, and profitability. I think you're forgetting something critical: the "other" guys have lost control of their intellectual property, or are using SHARED IP, and are in a race to the bottom in terms of per-unit price. Yeah....a lot of cheap Windows phones and other windoid products are being sold...but Apple's market cap, share price, and profit makes the Windoze players for the most part look like what they are...makers of cheap,low-profit-margin "commodity" products. McDonald's sells HUNDREDS OF TONS of "food items" each week too....at an average per-unit retail of what? $1.49??? lol... Unit sales don't mean SQUAT...

Apple's market captitalization is what now??? Is it 30 times that of Sony?? A single share of APple is selling for hoiw much over $600 these days???

I think you've got some concepts kinda confused, dude...Apple is probably the most high-profit, highly sought-after, cash-RICH company in the entire electronics market...and yet, you seem to think that Apple, and its products are "irrelevant". Maybe you're using that word incorrectly??? or maybe it doesn't mean whatcha' think it means???

Poor SONY, for example, this NYT article on August 23,2012 leads with this: "The crunch among handset makers who are not Samsung and Apple continues apace. Today, Android OEM Sony announced that its loss-making mobile handset division Sony Mobile Communications would be laying out 15% of its workforce — 1,000 people approximately — as part of a bigger restructuring." Sony Mobile To Lay Off 1,000 People, Move HQ To Tokyo From Sweden As Part of Restructuring | TechCrunch

In the short term, in the here and now and today, that's all great. But in the long term, none of it matters. It's never mattered in their entire history that, at times, they dominate. The reason it's never mattered is that they've never been able to sustain that domination, and there's a reason for it.

The current high they're on can't be sustained on iPhone upgrades alone, and as the current buying trends continue, just as they have for all previous Apple products vs their competitors, eventually landing at something like 3% of all cell phones on the planet coming from Apple, that money and stock clout all goes away again. That's their history. They innovate, take the market by storm go on a big money-high, and then get swept under the rug over time by their competitors en masse. That's just the frank and honest history of Apple and its competitors.

It can't stand against them long-term because it wants to continue this "walled garden" approach, while the rest of the tech firms on the planet are basically working in concert on stuff that works across everything they produce because they all share a platform to put it on. Apple's approach has always been that it's Apple against the world. It's never has been able to win the long-term war against those odds and that many armies, and there's really no reason to think it will be different this time, especially when the numbers show they're losing the cell phone market world-wide to Android devices as we speak.

My prediction: If they don't come out with yet another breathtaking new product that takes the world by storm again within about the next 3 years, their stock will begin to plummet. Frankly, I think it's already highly over-valued, well over-inflated in a bubble created by hype, just like the housing bubble was created by hype, and it can't last forever. And even if they do come up with a new whiz-bang device, it won't be long before the competition is producing something similar, then better, competing with them again on it, biting deeply into Apple's market share, and the cycle begins anew.

This is just the way I see it: The numbers and the math and the history don't lie.

 

[SamSpade1941]

Look at Apple's MARKET CAP though Buckster. And look at their share price, cash reserves, and profitability. I think you're forgetting something critical: the "other" guys have lost control of their intellectual property, or are using SHARED IP, and are in a race to the bottom in terms of per-unit price. Yeah....a lot of cheap Windows phones and other windoid products are being sold...but Apple's market cap, share price, and profit makes the Windoze players for the most part look like what they are...makers of cheap,low-profit-margin "commodity" products. McDonald's sells HUNDREDS OF TONS of "food items" each week too....at an average per-unit retail of what? $1.49??? lol... Unit sales don't mean SQUAT...

Apple's market captitalization is what now??? Is it 30 times that of Sony?? A single share of APple is selling for hoiw much over $600 these days???

I think you've got some concepts kinda confused, dude...Apple is probably the most high-profit, highly sought-after, cash-RICH company in the entire electronics market...and yet, you seem to think that Apple, and its products are "irrelevant". Maybe you're using that word incorrectly??? or maybe it doesn't mean whatcha' think it means???

Poor SONY, for example, this NYT article on August 23,2012 leads with this: "The crunch among handset makers who are not Samsung and Apple continues apace. Today, Android OEM Sony announced that its loss-making mobile handset division Sony Mobile Communications would be laying out 15% of its workforce — 1,000 people approximately — as part of a bigger restructuring." Sony Mobile To Lay Off 1,000 People, Move HQ To Tokyo From Sweden As Part of Restructuring | TechCrunch

In the short term, in the here and now and today, that's all great. But in the long term, none of it matters. It's never mattered in their entire history that, at times, they dominate. The reason it's never mattered is that they've never been able to sustain that domination, and there's a reason for it.

The current high they're on can't be sustained on iPhone upgrades alone, and as the current buying trends continue, just as they have for all previous Apple products vs their competitors, eventually landing at something like 3% of all cell phones on the planet coming from Apple, that money and stock clout all goes away again. That's their history. They innovate, take the market by storm go on a big money-high, and then get swept under the rug over time by their competitors en masse. That's just the frank and honest history of Apple and its competitors.

It can't stand against them long-term because it wants to continue this "walled garden" approach, while the rest of the tech firms on the planet are basically working in concert on stuff that works across everything they produce because they all share a platform to put it on. Apple's approach has always been that it's Apple against the world. It's never has been able to win the long-term war against those odds and that many armies, and there's really no reason to think it will be different this time, especially when the numbers show they're losing the cell phone market world-wide to Android devices as we speak.

My prediction: If they don't come out with yet another breathtaking new product that takes the world by storm again within about the next 3 years, their stock will begin to plummet. Frankly, I think it's already highly over-valued, well over-inflated in a bubble created by hype, just like the housing bubble was created by hype, and it can't last forever. And even if they do come up with a new whiz-bang device, it won't be long before the competition is producing something similar, then better, competing with them again on it, biting deeply into Apple's market share, and the cycle begins anew.

This is just the way I see it: The numbers and the math and the history don't lie.

The problem is you are using a history and a business model as a Metric that Steve Jobs abandoned when he returned to apple. They are not only a hardware giant but a software and media giant. Apple is a many tentacled monster these days that has diversified. Did you know that Apple owns a majority share of the BMG music catalog? Where do you think iTunes gets all that content from that they sell. Now they have moved into ePublishing with books, news papers and magazines. The iPod /iPhone/iPad are delivery platforms for content ... Things are not nearly as cut and dried as the history you are looking at might lead you to believe, also the OS is not the same there are tons of software publishers marketing software for OS X which is not the MAC OS of old and if you have watched any movie in the last two decades it was edited in Final Cut. Apple has a very firm grasp on the future , I doubt very seriously you will see a return to what you saw in the 80's and early 90's.

 

[mjhoward]

I would still take a solid aluminum and glass phone that will last over a cheap plastic phone any day.

 

[mjhoward]

Did you look at the side-by-side specs? I'm actually shocked at how much better the SIII looks, on paper.

Consider the Ariel Atom and the V10 Audi R8. On paper, the R8 is a beast, having a 520hp 5.2L V10. Despite this, it gets it's a*s handed to it by the Atom, which sports a 250hp 2.0L I4, around any track. Why? It weighs significantly less allowing it to be MUCH more efficient with its power and handling. Operating systems can behave this way as well. An efficient OS doesnt need as much power as a bloated one in order to prform the same task in the same amount of time. Theres more than just humbers.

 

[Buckster]

The problem is you are...

Just offering one man's opinion. Time will tell the whole story. Until then, que sera... It means nothing to me either way if they succeed or fail now or ever.

 

[fotomumma09]

So Apples got you by the balls... er breasts too huh? LOL I've got the phone, pad, and iMac... I'm gunnin for the Apple TV now. I wanna be able to do that airplay thing from my iPad.

Lol! You'll really like AirPlay, so convenient to play family videos and pics on the big screen!

 

[molested_cow]

Did you look at the side-by-side specs? I'm actually shocked at how much better the SIII looks, on paper.

Consider the Ariel Atom and the V10 Audi R8. On paper, the R8 is a beast, having a 520hp 5.2L V10. Despite this, it gets it's a*s handed to it by the Atom, which sports a 250hp 2.0L I4, around any track. Why? It weighs significantly less allowing it to be MUCH more efficient with its power and handling. Operating systems can behave this way as well. An efficient OS doesnt need as much power as a bloated one in order to prform the same task in the same amount of time. Theres more than just humbers.

That really depends on the track. I am sure the R8 will swallow the Atom whole on long tracks like the Le Mans and Nurburgring.