iPhone 5, meh....

[JClishe]

Unix based Operating systems are known to run for years and even decades with no issues, let alone having to re image a system on a somewhat scheduled basis like what has to be done in many enterprise environments with Windows based systems.

So these Unix OS's that you're referring to that run for years and decades with no issues, these are being used in the exact same scenario as the Windows 7 machines you're referring to, correct? End users are using them to surf the web, download, install, then uninstall 3rd party software, connect to all sorts of different pieces of hardware causing all sorts of 3rd party drivers to be installed, etc.

Because obviously if you're comparing a Unix machine that's dedicated to handful of tasks with a limited and controlled set of applications and hardware, and comparing that to an end users "daily driver" that is constantly having software, hardware, and drivers being installed and uninstalled on it, well then clearly you're comparing apples to oranges and the post you just made carries no value. I too work in IT and I too have seen these Unix boxes run for years and years and years. And, those machines are desktops with a very limited number of apps running on them that are very tightly administered. Put a Windows 7 machine in that same scenario and it too will run for years and decades without issue.

If you really want to fairly compare Unix to Windows 7 then you need to compare in the other direction, too. Go install Unix on all of your users laptops and let them use that as their primary, sole computer to run all of their business and pesonal apps from. Then let us know how that goes.

 

[rexbobcat]

Take business and marketing in school ? High sales means you are delivering what your target market wants. That means of the available products on the market its the better one thats how it works and no I am not joking.

Do you know Buckminster Fuller ALMOST succeeded with a proposed plan to build homes for returning GI's after WWII based on his Geodesic dome? Architecturally speaking his design was and is far superior from a design stand point and is very economical to build. It did not stop millions of two and three bedroom ranch style homes from being built instead. Sometimes good enough is good enough and sometimes good enough is better.

Lol there's a difference between "popular" and "better/good/worthy of existing."

Nikki Minaj is a one example.

 

[SamSpade1941]

Take business and marketing in school ? High sales means you are delivering what your target market wants. That means of the available products on the market its the better one thats how it works and no I am not joking.

Do you know Buckminster Fuller ALMOST succeeded with a proposed plan to build homes for returning GI's after WWII based on his Geodesic dome? Architecturally speaking his design was and is far superior from a design stand point and is very economical to build. It did not stop millions of two and three bedroom ranch style homes from being built instead. Sometimes good enough is good enough and sometimes good enough is better.

Lol there's a difference between "popular" and "better/good/high quality."

Nikki Minaj is a one example.

The problem is the iPhone is is good/high quality and popular. No it does not have every bell and whistle that Samsung chooses to add to their phones but again its good enough. Something that is lost on Motorola and Samsung. Its also why they do not sell as many phones as Apple. As I stated before in this case good enough is exactly that, good enough.

 

[mjhoward]

Agreed. Which is why Windows Mobile doesn't exist any longer. But what does a comment about a retired operating system have to do with this discussion?

Windows sucks... Thats what it has to do with. Windows mobile/CE was based on the most stable OS windows has ever had and it was STILL terrible. If Win7 was decent and wasn't riddled with constant freezing, crashing, periodicly slow response, and everything else under the sun, then I might have more faith in their new mobile platform.... But that isnt the case. It seems some things never change.

Seriously?? Do you even use W7? Unless you go out and find some nasty virus somehow, W7 is the most stable OS ever- it never crashes. If you're talking IE you may have a point.
I build gamer PCs for people at home, and maintain all the W7 machines at work: W7 is nearly bulletproof. And if you haven't tried one of the new windows phones out, you have zero idea what you're talking about. The new windows phones ROCK. Period.

Thats cute, you assemble computer parts and install Windows 7 on them. I build computers too.... Oh, and design hardware with Verilog and FPGA's, and develop Windows software. Theres a reason why WinXP was in use for nearly 10 years and many companies still use it and it aint because it was unstable. "If it aint broke, don't fix it". Win7 has been going "strong" for what, 3 years now and it's alredy being replaced by Win8? Yea, Microsoft clearly sees it as a strong platform.

 

[Majeed Badizadegan]

The problem is the iPhone is is good/high quality and popular. No it does not have every bell and whistle that Samsung chooses to add to their phones but again its good enough. Something that is lost on Motorola and Samsung. Its also why they do not sell as many phones as Apple. As I stated before in this case good enough is exactly that, good enough.

Good enough for who? I see this as a weak argument.

 

[rexbobcat]

The problem is the iPhone is is good/high quality and popular. No it does not have every bell and whistle that Samsung chooses to add to their phones but again its good enough. Something that is lost on Motorola and Samsung. Its also why they do not sell as many phones as Apple. As I stated before in this case good enough is exactly that, good enough.

Good enough doesn't equal better though as was previously asked about why sales means a better product.

I have both the iPhone 4S and the Motorola Razr Android phone.

I like the iPhone more but from a comparative standpoint the iPhone 5 for its price is hardly better

 

[Majeed Badizadegan]

A "Pre-Review" from CNET gives iPhone 5 slight edge:

iPhone 5 vs. Galaxy S3 vs. Lumia 920: By the numbers | iPhone Atlas - CNET Reviews

One thing is clear, the iPhone faces its stiffest competition yet which makes blindly choosing Apple without examining the facts first a hasty choice -- so if you're at all on the fence about the iPhone 5, we recommend you wait for the full review.

 

[SamSpade1941]

Unix based Operating systems are known to run for years and even decades with no issues, let alone having to re image a system on a somewhat scheduled basis like what has to be done in many enterprise environments with Windows based systems.

So these Unix OS's that you're referring to that run for years and decades with no issues, these are being used in the exact same scenario as the Windows 7 machines you're referring to, correct? End users are using them to surf the web, download, install, then uninstall 3rd party software, connect to all sorts of different pieces of hardware causing all sorts of 3rd party drivers to be installed, etc.

Because obviously if you're comparing a Unix machine that's dedicated to handful of tasks with a limited and controlled set of applications and hardware, and comparing that to an end users "daily driver" that is constantly having software, hardware, and drivers being installed and uninstalled on it, well then clearly you're comparing apples to oranges and the post you just made carries no value. I too work in IT and I too have seen these Unix boxes run for years and years and years. And, those machines are desktops with a very limited number of apps running on them that are very tightly administered. Put a Windows 7 machine in that same scenario and it too will run for years and decades without issue.

If you really want to fairly compare Unix to Windows 7 then you need to compare in the other direction, too. Go install Unix on all of your users laptops and let them use that as their primary, sole computer to run all of their business and pesonal apps from. Then let us know how that goes.

I did mention Mac OS X in my reply, which quite a lot of people do use and yes they use it for every purpose you mentioned. No 98% of the world is not using it, however it is a UNIX based OS and everything you mentioned is easily done including surfing the web, downloads, installs, uninstalls, 3rd party software, etc , etc, etc. Concerning OS X and Windows it has been pretty much established that OS X users end up having fewer issues over time with their computers than Windows users do. Those are attributes of OS X being based on UNIX , I used to manage technicians in an environment where we had both MACS and PC's, for every 10 PC related issues we had 1 Macintosh related issue. That alone says something about the stability of OS X, Macintosh hardware failures were more rare of an event.

 

[SamSpade1941]

The problem is the iPhone is is good/high quality and popular. No it does not have every bell and whistle that Samsung chooses to add to their phones but again its good enough. Something that is lost on Motorola and Samsung. Its also why they do not sell as many phones as Apple. As I stated before in this case good enough is exactly that, good enough.

Good enough for who? I see this as a weak argument.

Don't buy it then, that's your choice but it still does not make the Samsung better were it the better phone they would be selling more product and yes sales numbers do matter. The cool thing with a free market you can buy whatever you want.

 

[Majeed Badizadegan]

The problem is the iPhone is is good/high quality and popular. No it does not have every bell and whistle that Samsung chooses to add to their phones but again its good enough. Something that is lost on Motorola and Samsung. Its also why they do not sell as many phones as Apple. As I stated before in this case good enough is exactly that, good enough.

Good enough for who? I see this as a weak argument.

Don't buy it then, that's your choice but it still does not make the Samsung better were it the better phone they would be selling more product and yes sales numbers do matter. The cool thing with a free market you can buy whatever you want.

That's not what I asked.

 

[SamSpade1941]

The problem is the iPhone is is good/high quality and popular. No it does not have every bell and whistle that Samsung chooses to add to their phones but again its good enough. Something that is lost on Motorola and Samsung. Its also why they do not sell as many phones as Apple. As I stated before in this case good enough is exactly that, good enough.

Good enough doesn't equal better though as was previously asked about why sales means a better product.

I have both the iPhone 4S and the Motorola Razr Android phone.

I like the iPhone more but from a comparative standpoint the iPhone 5 for its price is hardly better

Actually it really does, thats why some companies are not in business anymore.. Packard made an awesome car seen one lately?

As for your comments on whether or not you think the iPhone 5 is worth its price thats an individual choice.. I am betting to the bulk of the target market it is good enough and worth the price. Most likely it will probably be received as the greatest thing since sliced bread. For me the iPhone does everything I want it to do now. The new processor is why I am buying the iPhone 5 along with an improved battery life / larger battery.

 

[Ballistics]

I'm trying to figure out how high sales automatically equal a better phone?

Take business and marketing in school ? High sales means you are delivering what your target market wants. That means of the available products on the market its the better one thats how it works and no I am not joking.

Do you know Buckminster Fuller ALMOST succeeded with a proposed plan to build homes for returning GI's after WWII based on his Geodesic dome? Architecturally speaking his design was and is far superior from a design stand point and is very economical to build. It did not stop millions of two and three bedroom ranch style homes from being built instead. Sometimes good enough is good enough and sometimes good enough is better.

This post makes absolutely no sense to me. And I don't mean that in an offensive way. I'm trying to understand your point, because this post reads as a bit of a contradiction.

Seems like you are saying that an inferior product is better than a superior product because it's more popular?

 

[SamSpade1941]

I'm trying to figure out how high sales automatically equal a better phone?

Take business and marketing in school ? High sales means you are delivering what your target market wants. That means of the available products on the market its the better one thats how it works and no I am not joking.

Do you know Buckminster Fuller ALMOST succeeded with a proposed plan to build homes for returning GI's after WWII based on his Geodesic dome? Architecturally speaking his design was and is far superior from a design stand point and is very economical to build. It did not stop millions of two and three bedroom ranch style homes from being built instead. Sometimes good enough is good enough and sometimes good enough is better.

This post makes absolutely no sense to me. And I don't mean that in an offensive way. I'm trying to understand your point, because this post reads as a bit of a contradiction.

Seems like you are saying that an inferior product is better than a superior product because it's more popular?

Its not about an inferior product, but sometimes you can make a product that is more than the market wants.. The droids are in many cases more than the market wants.

 

[Ballistics]

Take business and marketing in school ? High sales means you are delivering what your target market wants. That means of the available products on the market its the better one thats how it works and no I am not joking.

Do you know Buckminster Fuller ALMOST succeeded with a proposed plan to build homes for returning GI's after WWII based on his Geodesic dome? Architecturally speaking his design was and is far superior from a design stand point and is very economical to build. It did not stop millions of two and three bedroom ranch style homes from being built instead. Sometimes good enough is good enough and sometimes good enough is better.

This post makes absolutely no sense to me. And I don't mean that in an offensive way. I'm trying to understand your point, because this post reads as a bit of a contradiction.

Seems like you are saying that an inferior product is better than a superior product because it's more popular?

Its not about an inferior product, but sometimes you can make a product that is more than the market wants.. The droids are in many cases more than the market wants.

Good enough is not better in this context and what we are talking about. Regardless of market, I asked if how sales automatically equate to a better phone. Sales can indicate a lot of things. Better marketing, better target audience, etc. But when it comes down to it, the sales figures mean nothing in terms of my question.

 

[SamSpade1941]

Well at this point we will agree to disagree. The fact is the better mousetrap is the one that sells the most. It is a cold hard fact of business, you do not have to agree but it is the way it is.

Have a good evening.