KILLDEER BIRD, on the edge of a swamp. Rip it up

[Bitter Jeweler]

however... note to self... never post a photo and ask for it to be ripped up !! especially if it's not perfect.

The difference is if you can take the comments, not respond to escalate tensions across several threads, and most importantly if you can actually have a dialogue with anyone why you think what you did works well, then you might get somewhere.

If someone says your subject blends into the background, and you say it doesn't but can't back that up, well, how far are we going to get?
If someone says the subject doesn't work being centered, can you back up why you think it does?
If someone says the image lacks impact because the subject is looking away, can you explain why it does to you?

If your response is that the image works just because you stood in the mud all day to get it, how much merit does that hold?

The more dialogue you can create in a critique, the more you and others can learn.
If you can diffuse responses you think are snarky, by asking that responder to explain further, rather than attack them back, see how much better things go.

 

[LightSpeed]

however... note to self... never post a photo and ask for it to be ripped up !! especially if it's not perfect.

The difference is if you can take the comments, not respond to escalate tensions across several threads, and most importantly if you can actually have a dialogue with anyone why you think what you did works well, then you might get somewhere.

If someone says your subject blends into the background, and you say it doesn't but can't back that up, well, how far are we going to get?
If someone says the subject doesn't work being centered, can you back up why you think it does?
If someone says the image lacks impact because the subject is looking away, can you explain why it does to you?

If your response is that the image works just because you stood in the mud all day to get it, how much merit does that hold?

The more dialogue you can create in a critique, the more you and others can learn.
If you can diffuse responses you think are snarky, by asking that responder to explain further, rather than attack them back, see how much better things go.

What happens is , people join, post a few images, the images get ripped on, critiqued or whatever you might call it.
Many of them become reluctant to post their images thereafter. A lot of them have gone away because of it.
But not me.

All this does is make me better.

 

[eUgalde13]

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Thanks for telling me "what happens". :roll:

 

[LightSpeed]

That's for telling me "what happens". :roll:

?

 

[480sparky]

What in the HELL are you talking about?
Am I supposed to answer that?

My skin is fine. I must admit that I find it amusing that a bird in the wild, in its NATURAL surroundings, on the edge of a cypress lake , in the Atchafalaya Basin, is looking the wrong way
and then compared to your typical, city, driveway shot. Which appears to be a wounded bird, perhaps taken down by a pellet gun , for the photo session. And the colors are bad and its out of focus.
And the exposure is wrong. And It looks like a snapshot.

Yes I'm afraid it's true, my skin is fine.
Do some of you really believe that I get mad about any of this?

Ok I'll admit it. I don't like Tyler. I never have. I have never met Tyler and for all I know Tyler might be a decent person, in person.
Where he has no choice.

That being said, and established that Tyler could very well be a decent person, doesn't matter.
I still don't like him.
Does this mean that I hate him? Or want to harm him? Pause.

I tried to fight the urge to say this , but, Yes.
Does this mean I'm going to harm him? No. Unless I run into him in the grocery store.........church.......or any other place.
Now I know some of you are quite fond of Tyler and find him to be one of the worlds most interesting men. Quite frankly, I don't.
This doesn't mean that I am going to hunt him down and make it a point to do him bodily harm. With Christmas coming soon, I just can't afford it right now.
Then after the 1st of the year I'm traveling Montana for a few months...........so Tyler has to be put on the back burner for a while ( the same place he's been put by society most of his life). As painful as that may be.

Could Tyler and I ever possibly become friends?
Have you ever been hit by a comet or small meteorite?
What about struck by lightening?

So what's the moral of the story?
I don't like Tyler.

lol

You........... have issues.

 

[LightSpeed]

You........... have issues.

Yeah, I know. So what

 

[blackrose89]

The fact that's its wild isn't an excuse IMO. Yeh it might be difficult at times even nearly impossible to capture the image. Then you should just live with not having had a successful image. Honestly to me, it looks like a snapshot a fisherman got on his boat. I'm no expert, but I've never once whined about people not enjoying my photos. I know going in there it will most likely get ripped apart. I don't expect people to like my photos, I'm just appreciative when people do.

I do agree that some people could be kinder with CC.

 

[LightSpeed]

The fact that's its wild isn't an excuse IMO. Yeh it might be difficult at times even nearly impossible to capture the image. Then you should just live with not having had a successful image. Honestly to me, it looks like a snapshot a fisherman got on his boat. I'm no expert, but I've never once whined about people not enjoying my photos. I know going in there it will most likely get ripped apart. I don't expect people to like my photos, I'm just appreciative when people do.

I do agree that some people could be kinder with CC.

Oh boy.
lol

Cookies, pine cones, and cats.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

What in the HELL are you talking about?
Am I supposed to answer that?

My skin is fine. I must admit that I find it amusing that a bird in the wild, in its NATURAL surroundings, on the edge of a cypress lake , in the Atchafalaya Basin, is looking the wrong way
and then compared to your typical, city, driveway shot. Which appears to be a wounded bird, perhaps taken down by a pellet gun , for the photo session. And the colors are bad and its out of focus.
And the exposure is wrong. And It looks like a snapshot.

Yes I'm afraid it's true, my skin is fine.
Do some of you really believe that I get mad about any of this?

Ok I'll admit it. I don't like Tyler. I never have. I have never met Tyler and for all I know Tyler might be a decent person, in person.
Where he has no choice.

That being said, and established that Tyler could very well be a decent person, doesn't matter.
I still don't like him.
Does this mean that I hate him? Or want to harm him? Pause.

I tried to fight the urge to say this , but, Yes.
Does this mean I'm going to harm him? No. Unless I run into him in the grocery store.........church.......or any other place.
Now I know some of you are quite fond of Tyler and find him to be one of the worlds most interesting men. Quite frankly, I don't.
This doesn't mean that I am going to hunt him down and make it a point to do him bodily harm. With Christmas coming soon, I just can't afford it right now.
Then after the 1st of the year I'm traveling Montana for a few months...........so Tyler has to be put on the back burner for a while ( the same place he's been put by society most of his life). As painful as that may be.

Could Tyler and I ever possibly become friends?
Have you ever been hit by a comet or small meteorite?
What about struck by lightening?

So what's the moral of the story?
I don't like Tyler.

lol

You........... have issues.

Or the whole newsstand.




LightSpeed, I never said my image was better than yours. I know it's crap.

If you knew anything about the Killdeer, you would know why it looks wounded.
I posted it in response to your comment about not being able to get close to it, and they are wild, and not found in zoos...yahdah yahdah yahdah...

 

[LightSpeed]

LightSpeed, I never said my image was better than yours. I know it's crap.

If you knew anything about the Killdeer, you would know why it looks wounded.
I posted it in response to your comment about not being able to get close to it, and they are wild, and not found in zoos...yahdah yahdah yahdah...

Of course I do.
Your Killdeer is nesting seemingly in an urban area.

I knew that before I ever replied.
I just threw the " wounded", Pellet gun" stuff in there.
And it's not because I know about Killdeers.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

So we're safe to surmise you just like playing Attacky McTackerson, and that this is how all your critique threads go?

 

[Ron Evers]

I like to shoot wildlife & I shoot with old glass with manual focus. Get the focus, usually centred, click, adjust for composition in post.

OP, you nailed the focus but missed adjusting the composition. Bird looking the wrong way or blending into the background are environmental. Perhaps shooting in burst mode may have captured the bird looking in another direction.

 

[LightSpeed]

So we're safe to surmise you just like playing Attacky McTackerson, and that this is how all your critique threads go?

Obviously not.

When I feel silly critique and is passed down the line by a less than desirable person ( not mentioning names " the bird is looking the wrong way") with a chip on his shoulder, I don't bite my tongue.
Or from MWAC's who seem to gravitate to where they can be heard and fall in line. Yes I admit it bothers me when someone who can't get the exposure right on a freggin cookie balloon, with 2 pages of comments telling them how wonderful their balloon looks, chimes in on a negative note, clearly someone I'm leaps and bounds ahead of, in this. Do I get mad?
No, but I do shed light on it.

 

[blackrose89]

Cookies, pine cones, and cats.

I don't expect everyone to like my photos. So I will react like an adult should, thank you for your feedback!

Also just because I'm not a good photographer yet doesn't mean I can't judge a photo. I know a bad meal when I taste it, doesn't mean I know how to cook.

Not saying your photo is flat out bad, just saying I might still have something to offer.