KILLDEER BIRD, on the edge of a swamp. Rip it up

[LightSpeed]

I like to shoot wildlife & I shoot with old glass with manual focus. Get the focus, usually centred, click, adjust for composition in post.

OP, you nailed the focus but missed adjusting the composition. Bird looking the wrong way or blending into the background are environmental. Perhaps shooting in burst mode may have captured the bird looking in another direction.

I know Ron.
And thanks bro.
I have room for a crop, but I didn't want to clip the pixels, I actually put it here before this.......
It'll be something close to this when I'm done.

 

[Dom6663]

The fact that's its wild isn't an excuse IMO. Yeh it might be difficult at times even nearly impossible to capture the image. Then you should just live with not having had a successful image. Honestly to me, it looks like a snapshot a fisherman got on his boat. I'm no expert, but I've never once whined about people not enjoying my photos. I know going in there it will most likely get ripped apart. I don't expect people to like my photos, I'm just appreciative when people do.

I do agree that some people could be kinder with CC.

Oh boy.
lol

Cookies, pine cones, and cats.

Have some decency for a fellow photographer. Blackrose was generalizing some of the comments you received, and even indirectly said that people tell her they don't enjoy her photos, in effect lightening the comments made towards you.

Now I know we're far past the point of being decent with one another. But imagine how reading a comment like that feels, being a new photographer?

 

[LightSpeed]

The fact that's its wild isn't an excuse IMO. Yeh it might be difficult at times even nearly impossible to capture the image. Then you should just live with not having had a successful image. Honestly to me, it looks like a snapshot a fisherman got on his boat. I'm no expert, but I've never once whined about people not enjoying my photos. I know going in there it will most likely get ripped apart. I don't expect people to like my photos, I'm just appreciative when people do.

I do agree that some people could be kinder with CC.

Oh boy.
lol

Cookies, pine cones, and cats.

Have some decency for a fellow photographer. Blackrose was generalizing some of the comments you received, and even indirectly said that people tell her they don't enjoy her photos, in effect lightening the comments made towards you.

Now I know we're far past the point of being decent with one another. But imagine how reading a comment like that feels, being a new photographer?

I know exactly how it feels.
It makes you do better.

She also claimed that " it being wild is no excuse".
I wasn't making excuses. The facts are, it IS a wild bird out of an urban area that's somewhat hard to photograph in the wild, in its natural surroundings.
And the bird is NOT looking away from me as some of these professional critique artists have suggested. The bird is looking right at me.
It is not a predator which is why its eyes are on the sides of its head, rather than front facing.
That of course was overlooked by at least ONE expert, in critique. I won't mention names.

 

[blackrose89]

The reason I said its not an excuse because a billion photographers are in the same conditions and get fantastic shots. I'm new so I can't say 100%, but it seems that in CC making excuses don't fly, and clearly it didn't and you were blaming the conditions, background etc instead of possibly accepting that maybe it wasn't the greatest shot. I'm not saying its a bad shot, just saying blaming the conditions just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[o hey tyler]

Okay, Lightspeed, you want to know what your real HONEST TO FREAKIN' GOODNESS problem is? You can't take critique. It doesn't matter how I phrased my initial post. It doesn't matter how insightful or meaningful it was. You wouldn't accept it for two major reasons in particular.

A.) You do not respond well to critique. Presently speaking, and historically speaking. You think your photographs are infallible and if there were to be a god, they'd be considered a 'gift'.

B.) If I had created a new account, and posted the exact same thing, you might have actually thought twice about your composition, your subject and your framing. It wouldn't have been coming from 'o hey tyler' at that point. It would have been coming from "JohnDoeD3100", who in your eyes, might actually know a thing or two about photography regardless of his singular post count.

Instead, you create melodramatic posts consisting of rants and excuses. Who cares? I sure as **** don't. If you want a photo to be "ripped apart", expect it. You posted a photograph that was less than deserving of praise when you asked for critique. It happens.

I see you're crying a river. Build a pontoon boat and get over it.

 

[Dao]

lightspeed, take a look at this Juza Nature Photography -. Compare to your photo, you may see why other made such comment. Please remember, even someone is not a great photographer, he or she can still think your photo is up to their standard of good photo.

 

[LightSpeed]

The reason I said its not an excuse because a billion photographers are in the same conditions and get fantastic shots. I'm new so I can't say 100%, but it seems that in CC making excuses don't fly, and clearly it didn't and you were blaming the conditions, background etc instead of possibly accepting that maybe it wasn't the greatest shot. I'm not saying its a bad shot, just saying blaming the conditions just doesn't make sense to me.

It will the first time you go out and try it. Look you, I don't have anything against you. That's not what it's about.
Google Killdeer pics, and see the CRAP that comes up. All of them crap? No. Most of them? Just see for yourself.
It's not as easy as it's being made out to be by people who never tried it in a natural, bird in the wild, condition.
Along with claims that the bird is looking away, which is clearly NOT the case. It's not likely that you'll find a better image of this bird, on THIS forum, done by one of the forum members, at the moment.
If it happens it will prolly come from EricD.

This stuff is not easy. I go to great extremes and most of the time, come back with nothing.

 

[480sparky]

 

[blackrose89]

The reason I said its not an excuse because a billion photographers are in the same conditions and get fantastic shots. I'm new so I can't say 100%, but it seems that in CC making excuses don't fly, and clearly it didn't and you were blaming the conditions, background etc instead of possibly accepting that maybe it wasn't the greatest shot. I'm not saying its a bad shot, just saying blaming the conditions just doesn't make sense to me.

It will the first time you go out and try it. Look you, I don't have anything against you. That's not what it's about.Google Killdeer pics, and see the CRAP that comes up. All of them crap? No. Most of them? Just see for yourself.It's not as easy as it's being made out to be by people who never tried it in a natural, bird in the wild, condition.Along with claims that the bird is looking away, which is clearly NOT the case. It's not likely that you'll find a better image of this bird, on THIS forum, done by one of the forum members, at the moment.If it happens it will prolly come from EricD.This stuff is not easy. I go to great extremes and most of the time, come back with nothing.

Never once said it was easy! Not being easy doesn't compensate for a less then impressive photo. When people are giving a negative critique and you reply with "but the background, but the distance, but the mud" the people critiquing are not going to turn around and say "oh well, in that case fantastic photo" by looking at the photo experienced photographers know what you were dealing with. A good photo is a good photo. AMediocre photo isn't made better because you explain had a poor background to work with.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

All hail LightSpeed, with the BEST image of a Killdeer, on THIS forum, EVER!

 

[LightSpeed]

Okay, Lightspeed, you want to know what your real HONEST TO FREAKIN' GOODNESS problem is? You can't take critique. It doesn't matter how I phrased my initial post. It doesn't matter how insightful or meaningful it was. You wouldn't accept it for two major reasons in particular.

A.) You do not respond well to critique. Presently speaking, and historically speaking. You think your photographs are infallible and if there were to be a god, they'd be considered a 'gift'.

B.) If I had created a new account, and posted the exact same thing, you might have actually thought twice about your composition, your subject and your framing. It wouldn't have been coming from 'o hey tyler' at that point. It would have been coming from "JohnDoeD3100", who in your eyes, might actually know a thing or two about photography regardless of his singular post count.

Instead, you create melodramatic posts consisting of rants and excuses. Who cares? I sure as **** don't. If you want a photo to be "ripped apart", expect it. You posted a photograph that was less than deserving of praise when you asked for critique. It happens.

I see you're crying a river. Build a pontoon boat and get over it.

You do have a nasty habit of missing the entire point.
I take critique fine, until your sorry ass gets here and starts up, like you always do. Then people who find you appealing jump in with you.
Ok fine we don't like each other. Not long ago, I remember an image you threw up here of a room with scattered clothing all about, and people chimed in on how wonderful it was.
It was crap.
They were appeasing you. Why? I have no idea.
Seemingly you're more of a status symbol than anything else here. People read your words and take it for granted you're right about everything and what you see goes.
I look at it another way. I read your words and I laugh at you.

You're trying to turn this into something it's not.
Why? Because when it comes to me, that's what you do.
Now zip your cake hole, and take that for what it's worth.

The birds looking the other way huh tyler? This in and of itself tells me how broadened you are and what an expert you are in Wildlife photography.

 

[LightSpeed]

The reason I said its not an excuse because a billion photographers are in the same conditions and get fantastic shots. I'm new so I can't say 100%, but it seems that in CC making excuses don't fly, and clearly it didn't and you were blaming the conditions, background etc instead of possibly accepting that maybe it wasn't the greatest shot. I'm not saying its a bad shot, just saying blaming the conditions just doesn't make sense to me.

It will the first time you go out and try it. Look you, I don't have anything against you. That's not what it's about.Google Killdeer pics, and see the CRAP that comes up. All of them crap? No. Most of them? Just see for yourself.It's not as easy as it's being made out to be by people who never tried it in a natural, bird in the wild, condition.Along with claims that the bird is looking away, which is clearly NOT the case. It's not likely that you'll find a better image of this bird, on THIS forum, done by one of the forum members, at the moment.If it happens it will prolly come from EricD.This stuff is not easy. I go to great extremes and most of the time, come back with nothing.

Never once said it was easy! Not being easy doesn't compensate for a less then impressive photo. When people are giving a negative critique and you reply with "but the background, but the distance, but the mud" the people critiquing are not going to turn around and say "oh well, in that case fantastic photo" by looking at the photo experienced photographers know what you were dealing with. A good photo is a good photo. AMediocre photo isn't made better because you explain had a poor background to work with.

Less impressive than what? A freggin pine cone?
COME ON!

 

[LightSpeed]

All hail LightSpeed, with the BEST image of a Killdeer, on THIS forum, EVER!

LOL
Better than yours. hahahaha
Yours is the only other one I've ever seen here.

 

[naptime]

now that i have had 5 pages to read, i see the problem. you don't like critique. although you ASKED for critique. "rip it up" virtually everything that everyone said, you shoot back with an excuse. and to further matters, you are rude and condensending to people. you ask for input blackrose provides HER OPINION of the photo, and you respond with "Oh boy. lol. Cookies, pine cones, and cats."

really? was that necessary?

you attack someone, because you don't like their input?


and blackrose had it exactly right when she said... "just because I'm not a good photographer yet doesn't mean I can't judge a photo. I know a bad meal when I taste it, doesn't mean I know how to cook." words of gold right here.

are you so high and mighty than anyone newer than you is not allowed to post an opinion on your work?


i learned a long time ago, don't ask a question, if you don't want to hear the honest answer. don't ask for opinions if you don't want to hear them. and i tell everyone i am associated with the same thing... employees, my daughter, girlfriends, etc.... i have 1 major rule.. do not ask me a question, if you do not want to hear the truth. if you want me to lie to you, or tell you exactly what you want to hear, then tell me. and that's how i'll answer. if not, then don't ask.

i find the bickering between you and tyler humorous.. then i noticed, it's not just tyler, it's anyone that didn't tell you how wonderful your photo was.

 

[blackrose89]

Why are you stuck on my fricken pine cone???????? I never once said I was better and previously admitted I wasn't a good photographer and that my photos weren't impressive. But you don't see me whining over negative comments over my pine cone!!!! Like I stated before, you dont have to be a chef to know when you tasted a bad meal.

It will the first time you go out and try it. Look you, I don't have anything against you. That's not what it's about.Google Killdeer pics, and see the CRAP that comes up. All of them crap? No. Most of them? Just see for yourself.It's not as easy as it's being made out to be by people who never tried it in a natural, bird in the wild, condition.Along with claims that the bird is looking away, which is clearly NOT the case. It's not likely that you'll find a better image of this bird, on THIS forum, done by one of the forum members, at the moment.If it happens it will prolly come from EricD.This stuff is not easy. I go to great extremes and most of the time, come back with nothing.

Never once said it was easy! Not being easy doesn't cJompensate for a less then impressive photo. When people are giving a negative critique and you reply with "but the background, but the distance, but the mud" the people critiquing are not going to turn around and say "oh well, in that case fantastic photo" by looking at the photo experienced photographers know what you were dealing with. A good photo is a good photo. AMediocre photo isn't made better because you explain had a poor background to work with.

Less impressive than what? A freggin pine cone?COME ON!