Money isn't everything

[bribrius]

that is decent money for most places. not sure i am so keen on the growth or future in the nursing sector however.

 

[table1349]

I would have to assume gsgary can do a simple money conversion. 30.00000 US Dollar = 17.94855 British Pound

That still doesn't mean he understands what it would mean to make $30+/hour in the United States. Just doing a money conversion doesn't mean he's factored in all the other elements of determining what is considered a 'decent' salary here. And 'here' could mean a lot of different things. 'Here' in the NY Tri-State area? $30+/hour is okay for a starting salary. Things would be tight, though. In a less expensive area (which includes most of the country)? It's a good salary.

While maybe not great, not too bad either considering the average median income for New York State is $51,126. Of course when you look at the median income of New York City alone it's not a great salary, but then if you are living in New York City you are paying extra for the name. :mrgreen:

 

[table1349]

that is decent money for most places. not sure i am so keen on the growth or future in the nursing sector however.

This ought to tell you: American Association of Colleges of Nursing | Nursing Shortage

Don't get sick.

 

[bribrius]

that is decent money for most places. not sure i am so keen on the growth or future in the nursing sector however.

This ought to tell you: American Association of Colleges of Nursing | Nursing Shortage

Don't get sick.

wait and see. i have my own idea on this.....

 

[limr30 3]

I would have to assume gsgary can do a simple money conversion. 30.00000 US Dollar = 17.94855 British Pound

That still doesn't mean he understands what it would mean to make $30+/hour in the United States. Just doing a money conversion doesn't mean he's factored in all the other elements of determining what is considered a 'decent' salary here. And 'here' could mean a lot of different things. 'Here' in the NY Tri-State area? $30+/hour is okay for a starting salary. Things would be tight, though. In a less expensive area (which includes most of the country)? It's a good salary.

While maybe not great, not too bad either considering the average median income for New York State is $51,126. Of course when you look at the median income of New York City alone it's not a great salary, but then if you are living in New York City you are paying extra for the name. :mrgreen:

True - NY State is a different story. That's why I mentioned the Tri-State area, which essentially means NYC and its NY/NJ/CT suburbs. In this area, it's barely scraping by.

To be fair, I believe a person is paying for a lot more than just a name by living in NYC.

 

[table1349]

that is decent money for most places. not sure i am so keen on the growth or future in the nursing sector however.

This ought to tell you: American Association of Colleges of Nursing | Nursing Shortage

Don't get sick.

wait and see. i have my own idea on this.....

Well perhaps you ought to share those ideas with the American Association of Colleges of Nursing.

 

[kathyt]

Most experienced RN's in my area make $30+/hour at least, and not all RN's deal with blood, puke, and whiny people. We always have jobs, we can find a job anywhere, and there are soooo many things you can do with an RN license.

$30 does not sound that good

I said make $30+ at least. This doesn't include shift differential, benefits, overtime, and if you specialize in an area you often make a bit more. There are so many other factors as well. I don't really ever complain about the RN pay rates if that says anything. The amount of money you can make as a nurse is endless depending on how much, and where you want to work.

 

[bribrius]

This ought to tell you: American Association of Colleges of Nursing | Nursing Shortage

Don't get sick.

wait and see. i have my own idea on this.....

Well perhaps you ought to share those ideas with the American Association of Colleges of Nursing.

wouldn't matter. it is like the American medical association or any group with personal for financial involvement. They promote their cause. i think this is going to go the other way.

 

[kathyt]

that is decent money for most places. not sure i am so keen on the growth or future in the nursing sector however.

This ought to tell you: American Association of Colleges of Nursing | Nursing Shortage

Don't get sick.

wait and see. i have my own idea on this.....

I would love to hear it. There is, and will always be a demand for nurses. Period.

 

[kathyt]

wait and see. i have my own idea on this.....

Well perhaps you ought to share those ideas with the American Association of Colleges of Nursing.

wouldn't matter. it is like the American medical association or any group with personal for financial involvement. They promote their cause. i think this is going to go the other way.

Who would replace the registered nurses?

 

[rexbobcat]

As far as I know, nursing is a very secure job in the US with steady job growth.

And $30/hour is higher than the average income in the US as well.

 

[bribrius]

you really want to get into this? i look at things from a economics standpoint. And see our current medical care as unsustainable (and studies prove it as such) which was the entire outlay for obamacare. So from a business, or national standpoint. There is no choice but to cut the medical profession. Also if you put our economy in a pie chart, and cover it for the last fourty years. you will see that financial industries and medical has grow disproportionately to all other segments. Money has been flooding into these sectors. Money that isn't really there and cant continue. it throw the entire economy off balance. As the noose tightens, hospitals respond. They consolidate, lay off, encourage lower cost employees. Part of why there is so many off shoots of nursing, two years instead of four year requirements, cna, crna, cma, lpn, and the newest is what falls between a cna and a lpn, i cant remember the name of it but they are infiltrating quick because it is a one year or less program. The field has grown and people flock to it. Because lack of economy in other areas they have to do something. But from a hospital standpoint, consolidate, layoff, have nurses fill in for doctors, have the less than nurses fill in for the nurses. cut costs. They have to too, because too much money is going out the door and they know what is coming. Insurance companies are fighting over payouts, the country is running in debt, and the economy is bleeding paying for the most expensive healthcare system in the world. Not to mention overuse. The amount of people going to the hospital and taking up time for the dumbest reasons (wahh i have the sniffles) is astounding. That being pounded on heavy now. End of life care is big now too, that we realized that is the most expensive part of a persons care. The pondering if it is really worth five hundred k to keep someone alive for another year even if they are miserable.
The money just really isn't there, a lot of what is there is being wasted. Expect serious streamlining. It is the only part of the economy that hasn't gone through as such and it is significantly overweight.

 

[rexbobcat]

Euthanize the elderly

Make it trend on Twitter everyone.

#euthanizethelderly

 

[bribrius]

Euthanize the elderly

Make it trend on Twitter everyone.

#euthanizethelderly

part of it. Larger issue is the American healthcare system has become big business, and for a long time the only business to be in. Yell at the doctors they complain about the price of schooling. yell at the insurance company they complain about the price of the doctors. yell at the hospital they complain about everyone. yell at the schools they whine for more government handouts. Yell at the pharmaceutical companies they complain about the costs of government regulations and fda trials. It got fat and bloated. People have made a lot of money in healthcare business. And Everyone points the finger at someone else. Now it is realized it is a giant animal no one can afford to feed. Employers don't want to pay it, private business doesn't want to pay for it, individuals don't want to pay for it, the government don't want to pay for it. No one wants to pay for this obese animal. Like the financial industry it became a giant bubble, with a lot of middle men as well making money in between having nothing directly to do with healthcare. Nothing can operate that inefficiently (well maybe government) and waste so much money. You cant have 20 percent of gdp going to healthcare. The crack down is coming.

really just my opinion though.

 

[table1349]

http://reclaimreform.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/chicken-little1.jpg