Need help figuring out this Flash..

[Designer]

I never ever said anything about using my flash on the cameras hot shoe. Where do you get that? Also, what's in the shoe now is my macro flash.. Thanks everyone but I will not buy a flash right now. I will first get a new body sometime, then I will get a flash after that. Thanks for all the input though!

My mistake. Your other flash is in the hotshoe. So you want to operate the macro flash AND the Yonguno flash at the same time. Please bear in mind that the macro flash is always pointing straight out away from the lens, and will therefore always be directly in line and very close to the lens. So now the question arises; why do you want a flash on a bracket AND the macro flash both at the same time? Since they do different things to your photography, it seems that you will be completely negating any advantage of one at the expense of the other.

How am I wrong?

 

[Life]

I never ever said anything about using my flash on the cameras hot shoe. Where do you get that? Also, what's in the shoe now is my macro flash.. Thanks everyone but I will not buy a flash right now. I will first get a new body sometime, then I will get a flash after that. Thanks for all the input though!

My mistake. Your other flash is in the hotshoe. So you want to operate the macro flash AND the Yonguno flash at the same time. Please bear in mind that the macro flash is always pointing straight out away from the lens, and will therefore always be directly in line and very close to the lens. So now the question arises; why do you want a flash on a bracket AND the macro flash both at the same time? Since they do different things to your photography, it seems that you will be completely negating any advantage of one at the expense of the other.

How am I wrong?

You are wrong because the macro flash is going to work as direct light, and also black out the background a bit. The second flash will be hand held more of the time, as to more the light to another position. Also I can turn down the power of the macro flash way down, for only a little bit of front light, and the yongnuo will be from behind or the side or wherever it suits best. It HAS to work with the bracket only because there will be time where the flash need to come at a different angle, but the front. The bracket is tall and wide, and it needs to work on the bracket if I WANT to put it there. And since the macro flash doesn't work on the bracket, it takes up the hotshoe on the camera. So since I want to use both, now you see why you are wrong.

 

[robbins.photo]

You are wrong because...

You know, just a thought here but if you keep penning repsonses like this you'll most likely find yourself at the stage where when you ask for help or advice no one will respond - a couple of your responses in this thread already have come off as being pretty rude and argumentative.

You have to remember that what your trying to accomplish might be perfectly obvious to you - but all anyone here has to go on is what you've written, and if you don't clearly state what it is you have in mind then you can't fault people for trying to be helpful and respond and yet not being able to address your questions or concerns because you stated them badly, or not at all.

So just some friendly advice here, but you might want to dial it back a bit. Also I suggest you read back through the thread a bit and realize that you snapped at a couple of us initially because we recommend a flash that cost more than $50, and now in your latest postings your snapping at other people about how you "needs to work on the bracket I WANT to put there" bascially adding in all these additional requirements/wants - and getting - well, really quite snippy about how we didn't factor that in to our responses in the first place. Well I hate to break this to you but sometimes you just can't always get what it is you want especially if your not going to spend the money to do it right. May not be what you want to hear, but it does happen to simply be a fact of life.

Just my 2 cents worth of course, but something I do suggest you consider.

 

[Braineack]

Yes but for the millionth time, it CANNOT be hooked on to the hot shoe on my camera.

so you didn't look at the cord I sent?

 

[Life]

Yes but for the millionth time, it CANNOT be hooked on to the hot shoe on my camera.

so you didn't look at the cord I sent?

I did. However it looks like it needs to go on the shoe? and even with that, the problem is that it's very short. It'll need to be something where I can walk around with the flash. I think my camera just isn't cut out for this lol xD.
EDIT: Ohhh I get it now. It works as another hot shoe... But still would cause problems.
@ Robbins, He asked how he was wrong... I do not see anything rude with my answers. Also I had posted in my first post for the most part anyways what I need. I possibly could have been clearer but I felt I was clear. It's not about wanting, but more needing. I don't really have any choice at this point on where the flash will go, just for simple reasons like with the bracket. And I did not intend on being snappy either. And I apologize if it offended you.

@ everyone, if you felt my responses were rude it was not my intent...

Here is my issue. If I keep spending money on the flash gun, then on cords, and so on, it really adds up. I'm trying to upgrade my camera.Every time I buy something, it will take longer to get that camera. I just spend $80 between extension tubes and the macro flash. Now I want to buy a flash, that's another $50. Buying a cord after shipping and so on for a decent one will probably be at least $20. I'm starting to think if maybe I should return the macro flash and save myself the $30.. But before I would do that. do you guys think that a flash gun would be able to do the same macro capabilities?

 

[robbins.photo]

Yes but for the millionth time, it CANNOT be hooked on to the hot shoe on my camera.

so you didn't look at the cord I sent?

I did. However it looks like it needs to go on the shoe? and even with that, the problem is that it's very short. It'll need to be something where I can walk around with the flash. I think my camera just isn't cut out for this lol xD.

@ Robbins, He asked how he was wrong... I do not see anything rude with my answers. Also I had posted in my first post for the most part anyways what I need. I possibly could have been clearer but I felt I was clear. It's not about wanting, but more needing. I don't really have any choice at this point on where the flash will go, just for simple reasons like with the bracket. And I did not intend on being snappy either. And I apologize if it offended you.

@ everyone, if you felt my responses were rude it was not my intent...

Life, it's cool - in the grand scheme of things it isn't a huge deal. I just think it will help a bit if you try to remember there is a big difference between written communication and speaking to someone in person. There are no non-verbal clues a person can use to help figure out your mood/meaning when your posting. So when you say things like "Your wrong" or "You didn't answer my question" it generally does come off as rude, even if that isn't the intent - because the only thing the reader has to go by is what you've written.

So maybe just slow down just a touch and re-read stuff before you post it, and ask yourself.. ok, if someone had sent this to me how would it make me react just by reading it? Again, just my 2 cents worth. Hope that helps.

 

[Braineack]

Yes but for the millionth time, it CANNOT be hooked on to the hot shoe on my camera.

so you didn't look at the cord I sent?

I did. However it looks like it needs to go on the shoe? and even with that, the problem is that it's very short. It'll need to be something where I can walk around with the flash.

I thought you wanted to put the YN560 on the bracket you said you have.

okay.

connect to cord to the hot shoe, put your macro flash on top of the cord's own hotshoe.

connect the other end of the cord to your bracket, put the flash on the cord on the bracket.


i dont understand why needing to be able to walk around, the length of the cord, or you own a D3100 has anything to do with this not working.

 

[Life]

so you didn't look at the cord I sent?

I did. However it looks like it needs to go on the shoe? and even with that, the problem is that it's very short. It'll need to be something where I can walk around with the flash. I think my camera just isn't cut out for this lol xD.

@ Robbins, He asked how he was wrong... I do not see anything rude with my answers. Also I had posted in my first post for the most part anyways what I need. I possibly could have been clearer but I felt I was clear. It's not about wanting, but more needing. I don't really have any choice at this point on where the flash will go, just for simple reasons like with the bracket. And I did not intend on being snappy either. And I apologize if it offended you.

@ everyone, if you felt my responses were rude it was not my intent...

Life, it's cool - in the grand scheme of things it isn't a huge deal. I just think it will help a bit if you try to remember there is a big difference between written communication and speaking to someone in person. There are no non-verbal clues a person can use to help figure out your mood/meaning when your posting. So when you say things like "Your wrong" or "You didn't answer my question" it generally does come off as rude, even if that isn't the intent - because the only thing the reader has to go by is what you've written.

So maybe just slow down just a touch and re-read stuff before you post it, and ask yourself.. ok, if someone had sent this to me how would it make me react just by reading it? Again, just my 2 cents worth. Hope that helps.

I know exactly what you mean. That's why I try not to be offended by someones post unless it's obviously there as an insult... Ok anyways. Do you by chance have an idea on what I should do next? (Regarding flashes and so on,) I edited my last post with a new question. Thanks.

 

[Life]

so you didn't look at the cord I sent?[/QUOTE
I did. However it looks like it needs to go on the shoe? and even with that, the problem is that it's very short. It'll need to be something where I can walk around with the flash.

I thought that was the point of the bracket you linked...

lol. I'm literally just confused right now. The bracket is just there to hold stuff. I want to put the flash on it, sometimes even use it on it, but without switcharoo. WAIT. That cord, do I put that on the camera and on the bracket? I think that's where this is going.. However that would not solve my wireless using it around issue.. :/

 

[Braineack]

However that would not solve my wireless using it around issue.. :/

there's no wireless issue; you're using a wire.


from the amazon page:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414cWOvKZuL.jpg

 

[Life]

However that would not solve my wireless using it around issue.. :/

there's no wireless issue; you're using a wire.

Braineack, this is the whole point of this discussion. Making it so I can take the flash gun and use it anywhere. So if I set up my camera at an angle kind of under a flower, I can take my flash gun and wireless shutter release for the camera, walk around the flower, and point that flash say zoomed 80mm and when I press the shutter it fires the flash at the same time. But if I have a cord/cable, unless it's 10ft+ it's not going to work. And not to forget a 10ft cable hanging of the camera will be a pain... So yes there is a wireless issue. The whole problem might be because the D3100 does not have a command mode. Idk

 

[Braineack]

then you need remote/wireless radio triggers like the RF603s. simple, but this is not what you asked about.

the problem is not having the command mode, the on board flash can still optically trigger a slave flash. Command mode only controls TTL, the YN560 doesn't have TLL abilities.

But, iirc, you made it seems like you cant even use the on board flash with your macro flash attachment?

 

[Life]

then you need remote/wireless triggers like the RF603s. simple, but this is not what you asked about.

It is.. in a different way. I asked about wireless using commander mode, however I now found out my camera does not have it. I have been talking about wireless almost from post 1.. And I thought I already said, a remote trigger will not work for me either. It has to be fired off by the camera. These are all things i've pointed out already, not sure what to say anymore..

 

[Braineack]

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why not look up how wireless triggers work before you state they won't work.


maybe you dont know what to say because you refuse to look up how they work?


I quite often fire off 4 flashes, using two RF603s units without any issues. Why can't you?

 

[Life]

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why not look up how wireless triggers work before you state they won't work.


maybe you dont know what to say because you refuse to look up how they work?


I quite often fire off 4 flashes, using two RF603s units without any issues. Why can't you?

Because they cost over half as much as the flash does? and enlighten me, how do those remotes work?