Not EVERY potrait must be shot in portrait orientation!

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tirediron,

Derrel has worked very hard at studying therefore studying and education must be important to being a good photographer.

He is educated and therefore must be good.

Get it?

Is that like God is love, love is blind, therefore Ray Charles is God?

 

[Kbarredo]

True, and for the rest of us, any picture of you where we only have to see have as much kundalini is a bonus!!

Oh Really????Are you sure about that???

Ahhh wtf wtf wtf is wrong you people. No more naked shots. Is this your match.com profile pic.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

I wouldn't call education a necessity, but certainly it is beneficial.

Define education.

Coming to this forum and asking for help, advice, and critiques, is a form of education.
Reading Strobist.com to learn lighting, is education.
Reading any book on photography, is education.
Looking at the work of other artists, is education.

Anyone poo pooing education, needs to put the books down, get off the internet, and figure everything out for themselves, and not rely on the teachings of those who came before them. Sure there are those rare individuals that pick things up very quickly and don't need formal education, as there are those who, even with the best education, will never be anything more than mediocre.

 

[shortpants]

Stop quoting the pic if you don't want to keep seeing it!

I'm not sure you can tell who studied what Derrel. I'm sure plenty of us have backgrounds you aren't aware of. Underneath your anger I understand your point. What I don't get is why this is so upsetting to you.

 

[Derrel]

Lew,
You're still mad about that lousy snapshot of your Asian baby being held by headless, torso-less parent that I criticized a couple weeks ago, aren't you!!!

You're on a nice ad hominem attack pattern today Lew....you're proving the old adage that, "There's nobody as sad as a former military officer with nobody to order around anymore."

Lew,why are you attacking me,personally? As you have pointed out many times in the past, you feel that the TPF forum's membership is "beneath you"...you've complained many,many times about what a lame place TPF is, and how this place is run by "inmates" and "kids"--so, Mr. ex-colonel, let me ask you, "Why are you here?" You're not much of a contributor here, Lew. Lots of chest-pounding from you,but nothing of any value from you. I love how you've circumvented the TPF policy banning links in signatures, by posting two links in a photograph!!!

Again, Lew, why are you attacking me,personally? Is it simply that your old intellect cannot formulate or deal with ideas outside your experience? Or is it the fact that one now needs to pay a yearly fee to be a member of Nikon Gear, your cheapskate nature has caused you to flee Nikon Gear, and brought you running here, to TPF?

I have 3,500 photos posted on my personal storage site, Lew. How about you? Oh, that's right, you've been shooting pictures for just a short time...

I love your signature Lew, "photography is for grownups"--and then your JUVENILE, no, make that INFANTILE, little defiant act--putting your "links" inside a photo! You're a funny old man,Lew!

 

[analog.universe]

Formal education is expensive.. most of the folks I know who received it are still paying for it. There's a certain mindset (though uncommon) that people need to feel they've gotten their money's worth, and can't accept that someone else can be educated as well, or better, without it.

 

[Kbarredo]

True, and for the rest of us, any picture of you where we only have to see have as much kundalini is a bonus!!

Oh Really????Are you sure about that???

Ha

 

[kundalini]

woah I always thought you were black.

Well........... I do have soul, but ain't got no rhythm.

 

[tirediron]

...You're normally a smart man, Tirediron. I love how you're arguing AGAINST education and stuydying. Only in Canada would that sound like a good idea! Snort!

Derrel, I have great respect for your technical knowledge, and I appreciate your passion. While I do not agree with your position, I am certainly NOT arguing AGAINST education; my point rather was that four world-class photographers (regardless of your opinion of their work, I don't think you can deny their importance) have little to no education in any artistic discipline and none at all in photography. My point was this: You do not NEED a formal education to be an outstanding photographer!

Please do not make this a personal attack by making comments regarding my nationality, or your perception of my intelligence.

Thank-you.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Formal education is expensive.. most of the folks I know who received it are still paying for it. There's a certain mindset (though uncommon) that people need to feel they've gotten their money's worth, and can't accept that someone else can be educated as well, or better, without it.

Sure, the self taught can be huge successes. You get out of it what you put in to it.
What gets me is all the morons here arguing against education, WHO ARE EDUCATING THEMSELVES.
It's also quite amusing the number of beginners who think composition doesn't matter, who think they are breaking one rule while unwittingly following another.
Ignorance is bliss!

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

My point was this: You do not NEED an education to be an outstanding photographer!

I can agree with that, BUT, it is NOT THE NORM. That is the land of the truly gifted, not the land of beginner forums.
Please make that distinction.
Anyone posting here is getting an education in one form or another.

 

[Robin Usagani]

I gave you 1000th like... congrats. Like whore!

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

I gave you 1000th like... congrats. Like whore!

AWESOME!

 

[ghache]

My point was this: You do not NEED an education to be an outstanding photographer!

I can agree with that, BUT, it is NOT THE NORM. That is the land of geniuses, not the land of beginner forums.
Please make that distinction.
Anyone posting here is getting an education in one form or another.

You are right.

However, most of the photographers i follow right now never went to any art school.

I think its alot different from field to field. art? i am not sure.

 

[tirediron]

My point was this: You do not NEED an education to be an outstanding photographer!

I can agree with that, BUT, it is NOT THE NORM. That is the land of the truly gifted, not the land of beginner forums.
Please make that distinction.
Anyone posting here is getting an education in one form or another.

Fair enough - I'll grant you that.