Not EVERY potrait must be shot in portrait orientation!

[Village Idiot]

Things Darrel Hates:
Canon
Photographers
TPF
Members of TPF
Babies
Canadia
Photographers
Being wrong
People that disagree with him
People that have an opinion
Photographers
Everything

Things Darrel Likes:
Darrel
Insulting people
Nikon



I had to abridge the top list so that the post wasn't too long, so I ended up putting Everything on there.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

My point was this: You do not NEED an education to be an outstanding photographer!

I can agree with that, BUT, it is NOT THE NORM. That is the land of geniuses, not the land of beginner forums.
Please make that distinction.
Anyone posting here is getting an education in one form or another.

You are right.

However, most of the photographers i follow right now never went to any art school.

I think its alot different from field to field. art? i am not sure.

So? Do you think they learned everything they know in a vacuum? They never read a book? They never looked at anyone elses work?

Education is education, institutional, or self taught.

 

[ghache]

Lew,
You're still mad about that lousy snapshot of your Asian baby being held by headless, torso-less parent that I criticized a couple weeks ago, aren't you!!!

You're on a nice ad hominem attack pattern today Lew....you're proving the old adage that, "There's nobody as sad as a former military officer with nobody to order around anymore."

Lew,why are you attacking me,personally? As you have pointed out many times in the past, you feel that the TPF forum's membership is "beneath you"...you've complained many,many times about what a lame place TPF is, and how this place is run by "inmates" and "kids"--so, Mr. ex-colonel, let me ask you, "Why are you here?" You're not much of a contributor here, Lew. Lots of chest-pounding from you,but nothing of any value from you. I love how you've circumvented the TPF policy banning links in signatures, by posting two links in a photograph!!!

Again, Lew, why are you attacking me,personally? Is it simply that your old intellect cannot formulate or deal with ideas outside your experience? Or is it the fact that one now needs to pay a yearly fee to be a member of Nikon Gear, your cheapskate nature has caused you to flee Nikon Gear, and brought you running here, to TPF?

I have 3,500 photos posted on my personal storage site, Lew. How about you? Oh, that's right, you've been shooting pictures for just a short time...

I love your signature Lew, "photography is for grownups"--and then your JUVENILE, no, make that INFANTILE, little defiant act--putting your "links" inside a photo! You're a funny old man,Lew!

Derrel, did you really gave this to your client? are these really proofs? omg.

jenni_and_chris_proofs Photo Gallery by Derrel at pbase.com

talk about being different. you must have gone to art school a long time.


_MG_0553_1000_.jpg photo - Derrel photos at pbase.com

wtf derrel? helbow cut? thats bad.

_MG_0510_1000_.jpg photo - Derrel photos at pbase.com


HORIZONTAL SHOT ZOMG????????



really nice senior proofs here....

Caitlin's Senior Portraits-Proofs Photo Gallery by Derrel at pbase.com

really?

_DSC7296_ccPROOF.jpg photo - Derrel photos at pbase.com you really included this one in your proofs and sell this proffesional photographty to someone?? nice light control on her face. I've seen alot of macaroni photographers do alot better. lol ok im done with this hahahah

 

[The_Traveler]

Lew,
You're still mad about that lousy snapshot of your Asian baby being held by headless, torso-less parent that I criticized a couple weeks ago, aren't you!!!

You're on a nice ad hominem attack pattern today Lew....you're proving the old adage that, "There's nobody as sad as a former military officer with nobody to order around anymore."

Lew,why are you attacking me,personally? As you have pointed out many times in the past, you feel that the TPF forum's membership is "beneath you"...you've complained many,many times about what a lame place TPF is, and how this place is run by "inmates" and "kids"--so, Mr. ex-colonel, let me ask you, "Why are you here?" You're not much of a contributor here, Lew. Lots of chest-pounding from you,but nothing of any value from you. I love how you've circumvented the TPF policy banning links in signatures, by posting two links in a photograph!!!

Again, Lew, why are you attacking me,personally? Is it simply that your old intellect cannot formulate or deal with ideas outside your experience? Or is it the fact that one now needs to pay a yearly fee to be a member of Nikon Gear, your cheapskate nature has caused you to flee Nikon Gear, and brought you running here, to TPF?

I have 3,500 photos posted on my personal storage site, Lew. How about you? Oh, that's right, you've been shooting pictures for just a short time...

I love your signature Lew, "photography is for grownups"--and then your JUVENILE, no, make that INFANTILE, little defiant act--putting your "links" inside a photo! You're a funny old man,Lew!

Derrel,

Do you think that anything you say means anything to me?
I couldn't care less about you - and that's the difference between you and me.
I'm happy and secure in my skin and you aren't.
You seem to need to be right and known for that.

I do notice that you collect stuff and then come out with these tirades.
(This past one was essentially a repeat of the one you wrote when I suggested you lighten up a bit.)
You must feel that you are surrounded by those who would tear you down and must prepare for that.

I do note that the one thread where people picked on you, much as you pick on other people, was deleted after you cried to the moderators.
I won't forget that rather unappealing shot that was included. (in fact I downloaded it)

I'm here because I like some of the other posters and because I like the opportunity to help.
I taught for a long time and enjoyed that kind of interaction and watching people I helped improve.
At Nikongear, where everyone is technically competent, I don't get to help in that way.
I maintain involvement there as a paid member and a mod; unfortunately I think that your behavior wouldn't be tolerated there.

In answer to your question, I do enjoy poking you because I know you can't take it.
That's cruel of me I suppose but you're a grownup and should learn from your experiences.

Does this mean we're not buddies any more?

 

[Geaux]

I've always wanted to see what shots Derrel has, he never posts them on here. Thanks for the links

 

[ghache]

I can agree with that, BUT, it is NOT THE NORM. That is the land of geniuses, not the land of beginner forums.
Please make that distinction.
Anyone posting here is getting an education in one form or another.

You are right.

However, most of the photographers i follow right now never went to any art school.

I think its alot different from field to field. art? i am not sure.

So? Do you think they learned everything they know in a vacuum? They never read a book? They never looked at anyone elses work?

Education is education, institutional, or self taught.

I never said that.


Now try to be a chemist or a doctor without high education...very few will you are right,

its all about education.

The only thing i am saying here is in the art field, you got alot more chance to succeed without any high level education in art schools.. Art is art, you have it or you dont. You can play music or your dont.

 

[tirediron]

...Education is education, institutional, or self taught.

To a point... self-educated people tend to find a process that works, usually through a process of trial and error, or researching a specific area. They may often not know why something works, only that it does. Someone instutionally educated may have a great deal of theoretical knowledge, but precious little practical experience with which to back it up.

As an old Chief Petty Officer I knew many years ago put it when referring to university-educated junior officers just coming into the fleet... "They can give you the square root of a pickle jar, but don't ask them how to open it!"

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

...losing respect for people more and more, with every post they make.

 

[Compaq]

We need to separate official education with personal education. This forum is personal education, heck, taking photographs is a form of education. Derrel means official education, which is paid for. Taking courses, learning the classical ways, and then change path. Sort of like in dancing. When judges compare two dancers, the one without classical education would be marked the underdog.

There are those who believe everyone should have a classical education to be a "real" dancer. Some words aren't protected titles, but are education laden.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

...Education is education, institutional, or self taught.

To a point... self-educated people

We can stop there. Try again.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

We need to separate official education with personal education.

Learning is learning. Education is education.


No matter how you try to slice, dice, or puree it.

 

[ghache]

I've always wanted to see what shots Derrel has, he never posts them on here. Thanks for the links

and there is a reason why its not posted here.

 

[tirediron]

Derrel, did you really gave this to your client? are these really proofs? omg.

... talk about being different. you must have gone to art school a long time.

...I've seen alot of macaroni photographers do alot better. lol ok im done with this hahahah

That's over the line ghache! They're proof galleries; are 100% of the shots in your proof galleries perfect? I know mine aren't, but thy're included because regardless of what you or I might like, the client make like something different and they're the ones paying the bills. Try and keep above the waist, okay?

 

[subscuck]

Word for the day: Autodidact

Examples:Autodidactic Profiles - AUTODIDACTIC PRESS - lifelong learning advocate

It should be noted, as Bitter said, education is education. Going to an accredited school is not the right path for everyone. College, University, whatever you want to call it, does not guarantee success. The ability,and desire to apply what you have learned does. Note the photographers on that list, but also note they didn't just start taking pics and achieved success. They still learned, somewhere and from someone(s), what they knew.

 

[Compaq]

Yes. A bike is s bike, but some have motors. My point is that some words wrongly imply "proper" education.

The term "temperature" is a stare. It doesn't matter how something came to have that state, 20 degrees is 20 degrees. They are just the same, even if one cooled off from 1000 and one was heated from -1000.

To become a photographer you can take many roads. Some choose institutional education, others choose books and online forums. At the end og the day, both are photographers, regardless of route.