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It's funny when people say "landscapes bore me". This is a great example of how individualism and opinion can be one of the most irritating things conceivable.

Wait...what???

This has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever seen put forth on this forum.

I think what would be even more irritating, is someone trying to force their opinion on those they disagree with.
But then, that pretty much sums up politics and religion, doesn't it?

In general, landscapes bore me too.
 
With all due respects, this thread proves that the earth really is the insane asylum for the universe and that humans are the inmates. Seriously, in the grand scheme of things this whole issue means what?

No matter what we talk about, we are talking about ourselves”
― Hugh Prather,
 
In general, landscapes bore me too.

Qualifier: a word (as an adjective) or word group that limits or modifies the meaning of another word (as a noun) or word group

Mr 0|||||||0 didn't qualify his opinion, so I took it as written. I challenged his opinion.

He clarified what he meant, and that was that.
 
Qualifier: a word (as an adjective) or word group that limits or modifies the meaning of another word (as a noun) or word group

Mr 0|||||||0 didn't qualify his opinion, so I took it as written. I challenged his opinion.

He clarified what he meant, and that was that.


There's nothing more irritating than improper quoting.


Sh!# happens.

Then you die.

p.s., you didn't actually quote me correctly or you would've included:
 
Since when do opinions need to be qualified?

Opinions are just that - opinions. I still don't understand why they need to be "challenged"...

I stand by what I said - I wrote how I really feel. You are free to feel differently, and it won't bother at all me if you do.
 
Particularly opinions based on taste rather than ignorance.
 
I could NEVER, EVER see another single photo of Half Dome, Antelope Canyon, the Grand Canyon, Horseshoe Bend, the lone Cyprus at Pebble Beach, and about 45 other tired, cliched,worn-out landscape destinations--and I would die a happy man never having seen those places in photos. One of the single biggest "issues" with landscape photography is that so,so,so sickeningly many people try and re-create the same tired old cliche shots we saw from Ansel Adams. He worked from a two-wheel drive automobile almost all of the time, so most of his popular subjects were within 100 feet of a road or highway. Not like Galen Rowell, who was UP IN THE CLOUDS, often a day or two or three days' trek from the roads, and whose landscapes were actually inspiring and one-of-a-kind. In the modern era, I am absolutely SICK of seeing Horseshoe Bend and Antelope Canyon....you know the two locations I am speaking of--the ones where the tripod footprints look like three soup cans sunk into the ground...the SAME pic is made day after day,all year long by a parade of togs...just as so many people drive to the locations Ansel Adams shot from, and plop their cameras down in the same,tired old spots...

There are other destinations (Niagara Falls,for example) that are so,so,so over-shot and cliche that the term "landscape photography" today means about 75% of the shots are just "postcard views". There are some fine landscape shooters,like Clive Butcher and Alain Briot, but there are also a couple tens of million "postcard and cliche shooters" who have diluted the value of the genre. TO some people the term "landscape photography"is this same tired, worn-out, kitschy "postcard" style stuff.

But the guy in the OP...yeah...he's a bit extreme. But hey, whatever. He has his own point of view. No skin off of my nose.
 
I could NEVER, EVER see another single photo of Half Dome, Antelope Canyon, the Grand Canyon, Horseshoe Bend, the lone Cyprus at Pebble Beach, and about 45 other tired, cliched,worn-out landscape destinations--and I would die a happy man never having seen those places ....
You, our very own cranky, twisted, Derrel? Happy???? :confused: Go on... pull the other one, it's got bells on!!!

















:greenpbl:
 
My gripe with the guy in my OP is mainly his view on photographs of mountains and landscape as "worthless" and "mundane". And the constant talk of people, people, people. bla bla bla. Of course you owe it to yourself and others to shoot something original and not the postcard views but that wasn't my problem with this view.
Anything that the photographer finds interesting and/or beautiful is worth shooting! People can then have their opinions about the work but to say it's worthless is infuriating me.
 
Ansel Adams did well enough. Huzzah. He was a commercial photographer who worked for a lot of the large corporations *envy*
His images of the Kings and Kern rivers were used effectively in Washington D.C. during Congressional discussions that ultimately yeilded the 1940 legislation founding Kings National Park.
THERE!
What annoys the bejeeezus out of me are his endless copycats. People who get astronomers to figure out when to get the exact photo that Ansel Adams got. Seriously people, the picture has already been taken, why repeat it? Fanboys are so annoying.
 
People who expect their take on things to be taken on by everyone else are sadly deluded individuals. Yes, I appreciate other people have their own opinions; often I learn something from listening to or reading the thoughts of others (about myself as well as about them). I try to keep an open mind about photography but at the end of the day it isn't Adams, Hedgecoe or Freeman taking the photo - it's me. I choose what I use my time and film on, not some member of a forum who found a soapbox.
 
I read a few of his responses on that thread and all I can say is that the guy is a prat and a troll.
 
Well, to each his own. People certainly will shoot only what interests them, and I guess that's true for all of us. Same for what grabs us as viewers; Some types of images do it for us and others don't, and I suppose that can extend to entire genres.

That said, there's certainly a market for landscapes, as there is a market for all genres, and it seems that most people can be grabbed by a well done landscape, even if it's been done before, even if it's been "done to death". Millions of people every year buy postcards and calendars and prints and posters of landscapes because viewing them grabs them in some way, and that includes all the ones that have already been "done to death". People know who Adams is because his images still sell to people who find those images inspiring in some way, so they hang them on walls, put them on desk calendars, computer screen wallpapers, and all the rest of it.

If you've never stood in front of a Peter Lik print that's 4 or 5 feet wide, you may not get the full impact of what a well-made landscape can do to your senses. Likewise, if you've never actually been to Yosemite or the Grand Canyon or the dozens of other famous places that have been "shot to death", you may not get why people can't help themselves when they're standing there engulfed in a landscape that has so much impact on the senses, and you should probably get out more and go to to those places to get a better understanding of the dynamic that drives the photographers who shoot this stuff, and the people who appreciate it.

As for copycats, that can be said of every genre. Why shoot portraits with the lights arranged in one of the dozen "classic" ways that's already been done a million times? Why pose your model the same way it's been done a billion times already? In fact, you probably use the same poses and lighting over and over and over, not caring or worried at all that it's been "done to death". You think it's really all that unique that you stick a different face in the shot each time, while using the same poses and lighting and focal lengths and DOFs from session to session to session?

A billion school head shots are identical in terms of lighting and pose and "cheese" smiles and cropping, and yet every year we get a millions more of the same. Corporate head shots, same thing. Glamour magazine covers have about a dozen different looks, repeated millions of times.

Still lifes, water drips, bug macros, birds on branches, seagulls in flight, every animal you've ever heard of, flowers in bloom against black velvet, sunrises and sunsets in every conceivable configuration with water or rock or grass or a barn or a couple or a lonely person, and a million more themes - done to death. Pregnant woman holding her belly, ring in a Bible with heart shadow, muscled man holding a baby, homeless people laying in the street - all done a million times already. And so on with a million more themes. "Oh, how boring", says the elite "tog" with his nose in the air, "how utterly banal".

Taken to it's logical conclusion then, if you can't shoot something that's NEVER been shot before, you're just a copycat, so why even have a camera at all?

I don't hold to such pretentious, extremist, egotistical points of view. Those who do are welcome to them, but I have little respect for such opinions, personally. I will shoot whatever catches my eye or stimulates my senses, even if it's been done a million times. And then I will share it with others, some of whom will enjoy and appreciate it on some level, some so much that they will buy it even, while others will find it boring and banal and not worth the time it took them to glance at it, and that's fine too.
 

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