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Love these drawings, Wade! Charcoal has such a unique look: so soft, almost smudgy. I guess you can get a similar look from drawing pencils if you go to the softest ones, but charcoal is likely quicker. Nicely done on both!

I waffle about speed. There's no question that forcing a speed exercise will make you pay more attention to overall shapes, forget the details. Sometimes the suggestion of subject is all you need - as in Impressionism. But it's seriously hard for me to dash things off, I'm just not there yet. I have gotten faster, overall, just because I've done more paintings and can handle the medium better. But my drawings still take time and I have to watch myself not to get close in and bogged down with minutiae that won't be seen from a couple feet back. One of the best tips I've gotten was to stand back from the easel.
 
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Nice, Wade, You want to speed up and I want to slow down.
Thanks Charlie! If I focus on details, I can spend hours. Those hours end in frustration. I’m seeing how focusing on shapes, angles, etc impact the image first, then if I want, I’ll go back to fill in the details (and spend more time).

That’s actually why I started with the pen drawings rather than pencil.

I like your dip pen. Do you have any recommendations on where to buy or which one? I have a couple of fountain pens, one from Levenger and one from Visconti. Both are broad tip, and I kind of want something thinner. Not sure if that means I need to go to fine or if I need paper that won’t allow as much bleed in the ink?
That dip pen is glass. I picked it up on Amazon. There are a number of places that carry them. It takes getting used to and you have to hold it at just the right angle. For drawing and calligraphy, I'd recommend a set of the speedball nibs and a holder (or two); The Cartooning set is a good starting point. The "B" style are round tips (number is size - 0 is largest, 6 is smallest - like apertures) and the quill style (artist and bowl) are good for very fine lines. I'd guess I use the B5 or B6 the most. The other Speedball styles ("A" is square, "C" is flat, "CF" is flat left-hand) are more useful in lettering and calligraphy. You can use them with any ink. I did have a bowl nib crack but they're cheap enough.

Paper can be a big problem with bleed. Bonded papers geared towards multimedia or paint are less susceptible, as a is bristol and parchment. I just use Canson 98 lb/160 g multimedia paper (it has a blue cover) for just about anything. Hot press watercolor (smooth) would also be OK. There are a few journals that are FP ink friendly - Rhodia comes to mind. Goulet (listed later) has a decent selection.

You can replace the nibs, often without any special tools. Lamy (the Safari & Vista lines) are real simple as the nib slides off and on the top of the feed (I'll put together some photos). Others can be changed by pulling, or screwing the feed out (the nib sits on top but most of the metal is inside the pen). Others are integral with the pen end and would have to have the whole piece changed (again - photos).

Take a look at The Goulet Pen Co for pen nibs and videos on how to change them. The nibs (other than the Lamy) are sized by the width of the shank(?) - the part that sits on the feed and is inside the pen body. Most seem to be 5mm or 6mm, but Brian & co can help. They may not have, say, the Levenger nibs, but they should have something that fits. If you're not worried about "keeping it stock," they are a good source. Another cool thing with them, if you buy (at least with pens and inks), they (typically Rachel) will put a hand-signed note in the package, and specify which ink is is. They also give you a lagniappe - a Tootsie Pop. RLC (Really Large Chicken - our oldest) sent me a pen and set of three small ink bottles for my birthday a few years ago. When I opened the outside package, I saw the Tootsie Pop and knew right away, what kind of gift it was.

If you want to play with various color inks, they sell samples. You can order specific brand/colors or pick from one of their preset collections (red, blue, purple, etc.)

If you get to the DC area (and everyone is in phase 3 open), you should make a trip to Fahrney's. They carry the higher end pens but have some of the mid-range, as well. I got the Delta, Pelikan and the contemporary Shaeffers there, during one of the monthly sales. They are located on F St, NW, across from the National Press Club.

Lamy Safari (color bodies) and Vista (clear "demonstrator" body) are good all-round pens that run between $35 and $40 are one of my favorites - I have 5 of them and a Lamy Joy, which is an italic-nibbed calligraphy pen. The Safaris come in a bunch of candy colors, as well as the usual black, grey and white.
 
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Which color scheme do you like best for this one?

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I like the first, then the second.
 
Love the second one, with the yellow popping out. The third one is second choice.

All of them are lovely, just different degrees of subtlety. :)
 
Nice, Wade, You want to speed up and I want to slow down.
Thanks Charlie! If I focus on details, I can spend hours. Those hours end in frustration. I’m seeing how focusing on shapes, angles, etc impact the image first, then if I want, I’ll go back to fill in the details (and spend more time).

That’s actually why I started with the pen drawings rather than pencil.

I like your dip pen. Do you have any recommendations on where to buy or which one? I have a couple of fountain pens, one from Levenger and one from Visconti. Both are broad tip, and I kind of want something thinner. Not sure if that means I need to go to fine or if I need paper that won’t allow as much bleed in the ink?
That dip pen is glass. I picked it up on Amazon. There are a number of places that carry them. It takes getting used to and you have to hold it at just the right angle. For drawing and calligraphy, I'd recommend a set of the speedball nibs and a holder (or two); The Cartooning set is a good starting point. The "B" style are round tips (number is size - 0 is largest, 6 is smallest - like apertures) and the quill style (artist and bowl) are good for very fine lines. I'd guess I use the B5 or B6 the most. The other Speedball styles ("A" is square, "C" is flat, "CF" is flat left-hand) are more useful in lettering and calligraphy. You can use them with any ink. I did have a bowl nib crack but they're cheap enough.

Paper can be a big problem with bleed. Bonded papers geared towards multimedia or paint are less susceptible, as a is bristol and parchment. I just use Canson 98 lb/160 g multimedia paper (it has a blue cover) for just about anything. Hot press watercolor (smooth) would also be OK. There are a few journals that are FP ink friendly - Rhodia comes to mind. Goulet (listed later) has a decent selection.

You can replace the nibs, often without any special tools. Lamy (the Safari & Vista lines) are real simple as the nib slides off and on the top of the feed (I'll put together some photos). Others can be changed by pulling, or screwing the feed out (the nib sits on top but most of the metal is inside the pen). Others are integral with the pen end and would have to have the whole piece changed (again - photos).

Take a look at The Goulet Pen Co for pen nibs and videos on how to change them. The nibs (other than the Lamy) are sized by the width of the shank(?) - the part that sits on the feed and is inside the pen body. Most seem to be 5mm or 6mm, but Brian & co can help. They may not have, say, the Levenger nibs, but they should have something that fits. If you're not worried about "keeping it stock," they are a good source. Another cool thing with them, if you buy (at least with pens and inks), they (typically Rachel) will put a hand-signed note in the package, and specify which ink is is. They also give you a lagniappe - a Tootsie Pop. RLC (Really Large Chicken - our oldest) sent me a pen and set of three small ink bottles for my birthday a few years ago. When I opened the outside package, I saw the Tootsie Pop and knew right away, what kind of gift it was.

If you want to play with various color inks, they sell samples. You can order specific brand/colors or pick from one of their preset collections (red, blue, purple, etc.)

If you get to the DC area (and everyone is in phase 3 open), you should make a trip to Fahrney's. They carry the higher end pens but have some of the mid-range, as well. I got the Delta, Pelikan and the contemporary Shaeffers there, during one of the monthly sales. They are located on F St, NW, across from the National Press Club.

Lamy Safari (color bodies) and Vista (clear "demonstrator" body) are good all-round pens that run between $35 and $40 are one of my favorites - I have 5 of them and a Lamy Joy, which is an italic-nibbed calligraphy pen. The Safaris come in a bunch of candy colors, as well as the usual black, grey and white.
Charlie, first, you are awesome and this is amazingly thorough. I need to digest this. I actually get the Fahrneys catalogs and emails. Levenger is nice, but they tend to be pretty expensive (especially with non-Levenger branded stuff). Thanks for the links. Those Maki-e pens... oh man those are so nice, but those prices! :boggled:

Second, my wife is going to roll her eyes when I buy another pen, but it’ll be a dip pen, so I’ll try to justify it hahaha.

Really good info on the paper. I have such an issue finding good paper, which I why I rarely ever use my fountain pens and it makes me sad.

I’m going to digest this a little more and then I’ll have more questions.
 
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Charlie, first, you are awesome and this is amazingly thorough. I need to digest this. I actually get the Fahrneys catalogs and emails. Levenger is nice, but they tend to be pretty expensive (especially with non-Levenger branded stuff). Thanks for the links. Those Maki-e pens... oh man those are so nice, but those prices! :boggled:

Second, my wife is going to roll her eyes when I buy another pen, but it’ll be a dip pen, so I’ll try to justify it hahaha.

Really good info on the paper. I have such an issue finding good paper, which I why I rarely ever use my fountain pens and it makes me sad.

I’m going to digest this a little more and then I’ll have more questions.
Thank you. The maki-e are fantastic. For those not familiar, the bodies are ornately painted in a traditional Japanese decoration - fish, leaves, flowers, etc., then the pens are (hand) lacquered with several layers. They are truly art.

I've stopped "collecting" at this point, but may go again. I will try to limit myself to the Shaeffers and Lamys, though.
 
Charlie, first, you are awesome
I agree! Bear is the best! :icon_cheers: A *fount* of information (see what I did there) and always ready to help us struggling peeps.
 
Last night I painted this compilation of all the butterfly ideas
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I had decided before taking the above photo that I had too much bare background so I went a bit nuts with the squiggles which I immediately hated as being too busy. This morning I decided to paint a green wash over the background and squiggles to try to save it since I really liked how the butterflies came out.
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Felt like it was good and truly ruined now. So I started over and went for bigger but fewer subjects and my usual splatter background. I like this one a lot but haven’t decided yet if it needs anything else. I’m not touching it for 24 hours just to be sure! I already added that terrible leaf after I was “done”.

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Thoughts? Suggestions always welcome.
 
I guess if you chose to use colored paper, so you wouldn't have to mess with background color, that would likely cause color shifts with the paints. Maybe the inks would be impervious?

I don't see anything that looks bad here, though. Busy, yes, but that doesn't make it bad. :) Your butterflies are cute as they can be.
 
Thanks! They were very fun to paint.
 
Well done! Going small is actually smarter than the way I did it, using full page standard sketchbook. :lol:

Looks like ink? Nice work!
 

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