Presenting unedited SOOC pics to clients

[gsgary]

How can i be dense do you make $15 in 2 minutes on your shoots ? from what i have seen and read your shots would not be good enough SOOC

You are just not getting it! Why would you waste 2 mins of your life if...KEY WORD: IF your client didn't even what that photo? And that 2 minutes adds up!
Say if you selected 50 of your favorite photos from a session. Then you cropped/sharpened/cloned/enhanced etc all those pics, but your client only liked about 20 from your set. Who knows.. they could of liked the ones that you didn't edit and they never even saw.

Basically what Im trying to do is save time. Im not trying to spend hours after a session editing pics if i don't have to. I just want to edit and enhance the ones they like. Most of the edits I do cant be done in a "batch" process or an action. I don't think batch cropping an image is a good idea. There are some enhancements that shouldn't be performed with an action or a batch process.

In lightroom you can edit 1 and apply that to all and just show them a slide show to pick which they want and just edit them it's simple

 

[gsgary]

Can we have a thread without issues? Getting old.
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Shoot well, Joe

ugh.. theres someone in this thread that loves to bring drama to all my threads, or tries to "show me up"

I was not trying to show you up i gave you advice and you insulted me but i can take it on the chin it's like water off a ducks back

 

[SabrinaO]

How can i be dense do you make $15 in 2 minutes on your shoots ? from what i have seen and read your shots would not be good enough SOOC

You are just not getting it! Why would you waste 2 mins of your life if...KEY WORD: IF your client didn't even what that photo? And that 2 minutes adds up!
Say if you selected 50 of your favorite photos from a session. Then you cropped/sharpened/cloned/enhanced etc all those pics, but your client only liked about 20 from your set. Who knows.. they could of liked the ones that you didn't edit and they never even saw.

Basically what Im trying to do is save time. Im not trying to spend hours after a session editing pics if i don't have to. I just want to edit and enhance the ones they like. Most of the edits I do cant be done in a "batch" process or an action. I don't think batch cropping an image is a good idea. There are some enhancements that shouldn't be performed with an action or a batch process.

I don't want this to come off as rude or mean (because I'm really not that kind of person), but do you have any idea how snotty you come off in your posts? People here are trying to help YOU and you seem to be so unappreciative.

Edit/don't edit. It's totally your call. Do whatever you think is right for your business, but don't be surprised when your sales start to fall short. The average person can not see the potential beauty of an image, what they will see is a less than sharp, non-pleasing snapshot.

My husband keeps telling that there are just some people that are looking for drama in their lives for whatever reason, it doesn't matter the topic, they seek out attention/drama everywhere they go. Looks like you unwittingly proved him right... darn it I really hate when I have to tell him he was right about something, he'll gloat for weeks.

That was not directed at you. I have a bad history on here with gsgary and other people on here who are just here to make people feel bad about their work..

I 100% agree with you on this:
The average person can not see the potential beauty of an image, what they will see is a less than sharp, non-pleasing snapshot.
Which is why I'm not 100% that I want to do this. I think if I put a disclaimer in the proofing section and explain on my site that the proofs are unedited, but will be edited, corrected and enhanced once they select their photos...

 

[brandibell]

Can we have a thread without issues? Getting old.
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Shoot well, Joe

Lol agreed

 

[SabrinaO]

Can we have a thread without issues? Getting old.
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Shoot well, Joe

ugh.. theres someone in this thread that loves to bring drama to all my threads, or tries to "show me up"

I was not trying to show you up i gave you advice and you insulted me but i can take it on the chin it's like water off a ducks back

Honestly... I don't ever want or need YOUR advice. You know what type of person you are and what you do. I insulted you? Playing the victim here??

 

[gsgary]

ugh.. theres someone in this thread that loves to bring drama to all my threads, or tries to "show me up"

I was not trying to show you up i gave you advice and you insulted me but i can take it on the chin it's like water off a ducks back

Honestly... I don't ever want or need YOUR advice. You know what type of person you are and what you do. I insulted you? Playing the victim here??

You don't want anyones so why do you ask, you have had a camera 9 months and you think you know everything so **** you

 

[Overread]

Come on guys this is getting old now - cool it down and lets not have another 5 pages of ranting and fighting!



As for the question in point:
"The average person can not see the potential beauty of an image, what they will see is a less than sharp, non-pleasing snapshot."

Is the key bit. Unless your workflow is such that you can get shots straight out of the camera which only need minor adjustments or fine detail changes not visible on smallsized preview images then don't show them shots right out of the camera. Instead you'll have to focus on streamlining your shooting and your workflow so that you're only preparing a few shots to show them rather than 100s for them to choose from. This will require streamlining at both the editing and the shooting stage of the process.

 

[oldmacman]

Especially because RAW pics look terrible SOOC, I would not want to show a client anything close to what they can take with a PS camera. As the photog, your eye will be able to pick out the best images for your client. Maybe it's just me, but unless I am at an event, I don't shoot a lot of images. You have an idea of what the client wants and how you should shoot it. Cearly the best images should stand out from the session.

 

[oldmacman]

Doh, typing so slow that overread beat me with essentially the same message.

 

[gsgary]

Come on guys this is getting old now - cool it down and lets not have another 5 pages of ranting and fighting!



As for the question in point:
"The average person can not see the potential beauty of an image, what they will see is a less than sharp, non-pleasing snapshot."

Is the key bit. Unless your workflow is such that you can get shots straight out of the camera which only need minor adjustments or fine detail changes not visible on smallsized preview images then don't show them shots right out of the camera. Instead you'll have to focus on streamlining your shooting and your workflow so that you're only preparing a few shots to show them rather than 100s for them to choose from. This will require streamlining at both the editing and the shooting stage of the process.

Your flogging a dead horse, she is going to show them no matter what we say, i'm out of here

 

[SabrinaO]

Especially because RAW pics look terrible SOOC, I would not want to show a client anything close to what they can take with a PS camera. As the photog, your eye will be able to pick out the best images for your client. Maybe it's just me, but unless I am at an event, I don't shoot a lot of images. You have an idea of what the client wants and how you should shoot it. Cearly the best images should stand out from the session.

Ugh! I forgot how raws look sooc. :x Maybe i can just give them all contrast using the synch and brighten them up all a bit before putting them in a gallery.

But to oldmacman and overread...I want perfection SOOC so I can minimize editing or so i DONT have to edit much..lol. But i like to do a lot of correction edits and enhancements.. blemish remover, skin smoothing, skin softening, fixing stray hairs, eye pops,, bright eyes, teeth whitening etc. I just feel like should i do all of this to a photo if they don't really like this photo/pose?

 

[IgsEMT]

I rarely show unedited work. I did it 3 times, once the client used to be a model and understands that editing is needed to be done (she loved the final product). 2nd time was when my client was a colleague of mine and he was doing the editing on his own time and 3rd when my wife and I were shooting our kids w/ our parents - we showed them unfinished and final product.

 

[ababysean]

You can "soft edit" in LR. That is what I've been doing. and then anything I think needs more work like cloning if I'm shooting outside or if I feel in them mood to liquify a flabby arm or gut, I'll pull it into PS.

But I'd never show them a SOOC image. nope.

 

[EPPhoto]

I will sometimes show them certain images that I think look amazing, but I don't sit there and show them pic after pic in order.

 

[Gaerek]

How good of an idea is that? I think it's good so you don't have to waste your time editing ALL the pics from the session when they might not even like certain shots. So instead, once they choose what pics they want for CD or print, you just edit the ones that they selected.
I'm asking because sometimes pics don't look good SOOC. (Lighting issues, wrinkles, things that need to be cloned out... etc.) and the client might think "wow these pics suck". Could it be a bad first impression showing SOOC images?

I think it's a great idea!