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Well Then, Shall We Just Let the Blind Lead the Blind?

This forum is a huge database of information. Just like a library. In a library, there is a librarian, and a card catalogue. If you continually walk by the card catalogue, and go straight to the librarian, I am sure the librarian will eventually point you to the card catalogue. The librarian is NOT there to walk each patron directly to the information they seek. In school, everyone should have been taught how to do research. In higher education, there are required courses for credit that are "Independant Study".

What I see here, and on other forums is just sheer LAZINESS. People here want exact answers to specific questions and are not willing to do some leg work, and get a well rounded, deeper understanding of the subject. As a result their knowledge is very shallow and pretty useless.

The photo forum will only get people so far. They will platuea quickly at an average level. People come on here everyday and say they have Passion for photography. But they don't, really. It just sounds cool. If they were truly that passionate, they would be spending their time elsewhere, gather as much information as the can, from better sources.

And the exact answers they want are to questions broader than Eva Mendes's ass.

"What camera should I buy?"

"What flash should I buy?"

How do I expose a photo correctly"

"What settings do I use to shoot sport/cars/macro/your mom?"

And seriously? "Does anyone know of a cheap flash?" If you're going to ask that question and you don't expect 20 people replying with the answer, "yes", then you need to re-evaluate your skill at the internets.

People come here without doing an iota of research. If I've already typed out 5 responses to, "How do I use manual mode?" this week, do you honestly think it's wrong that I tell you to use the search to find those previous answers?.

That's why I generally stay out of those threads completely.
 
I love it ALL you give me all the JERKS, Rude, angry, and the bitter Wanna-bee's! ! ! ! I might be a newbe to THIS SITE, but when you see my locations I get sent to shoot OR BETTER WHO I SHOOT - I will be happy to share tips, trade secrets, and experience! ! ! !


MU HAHAHAHAHA

Unless you're Chase Jarvis, then who cares? And judging by your grammar, you're not.
 

Sadly, it is typical.. and we should expect this. Some new users are unaware of the search function--sometimes bringing it up isn't meant to troll or insult the OP, but to point them in the right direction without regurgitating mountains of information over and over. Personally, I think it shows a lack of initiative for people not to search it--regardless of whether it's on the forum search or Google searching it. If you can't find the answer, if you're confused.. by all means, ask away. In the case of the new lighting thread, the OP is extremely vague and wishes to be spoonfed. Can't always help the helpless, I suppose.

In the end, I suppose TPF revolves around the "you get what you put in" mentality. Effort to research your questions, taking C&C with grace, and having thick skin is all very valuable.
 
And the exact answers they want are to questions broader than Eva Mendes's ass.
Exactly! Color space and gamut are a great example. But to be fair, I guess, most have no clue what it is when they first come across their "problem". But on the flip side, it IS in the camera manual, and if it didn't raise an eyebrow then and make you go search "what is color space", again to me that is being lazy.

Maybe I was fortunate to be brought up to seek answers to questions. As a child, when I asked questions, the response typically was to "look it up". That's why we had encyclopedias and a dictionary. I would then be asked what I learned. I am eternally grateful for that. And grateful, now, for the Internet. A library of information at my finger tips.
 
In a library, there is a librarian

But this isn't a library this is a forum and you (speaking to everyone) are not the librarian - ego the questions are asked to the community and it is the community which has the choice to answer. If you don't like to or want to answer the question then simple - don't answer it. The only thing it fills up is one single section on the site (beginners) and maybe part of new posts and that is all.

If you don't like repeat questions or answering them - then just don't. I don't see why the forum should change to no longer support newer members to its community because one group of (previously) new members has advanced enough to be "beyond" such base questions. I'm sure most if not all of us have asked the basic questions at some point in our past - maybe not on this forum but somewhere - so I don't see why we should change that one bit.


Again I'm still confused why people asking basic questions angers and infuriates so many of you - especially since the number the "resist" the answers they get is relevantly very small (its just that when it does happen its like rotting fruit to wasps and everyone crowds in for a bite)
 
I vote for someone to start making a FAQ page that is stickied to the top of beginners forum. It must have a link to how top post photos. Keep adding this FAQ. If you are a noob, you MUST read the FAQ first! :). Then we can just reply to common question and paste that thread link.
 
Q: Can you shoot a wedding with one week of experience and a kit lens?
A: NO

[a week after sticky is posted]
"So I'm having my first wedding shoot, I don't know much but photography is my PASSION!"

:er:
 
Q: Can you shoot a wedding with one week of experience and a kit lens?
A: NO

[a week after sticky is posted]
"So I'm having my first wedding shoot, I don't know much but photography is my PASSION!"

:er:

Yes stickies are always ignored - but they do provide a comprehensive single answer that can be quickly linked to if people don't want to write out an individual reply. Of course stickies need to be monitored to ensure that they remain current with changes in the market and method.
 
I vote for someone to start making a FAQ page that is stickied to the top of beginners forum. It must have a link to how top post photos. Keep adding this FAQ. If you are a noob, you MUST read the FAQ first! :). Then we can just reply to common question and paste that thread link.
Not really sure that would help... Look at the tutorial on how to upload your photos. Not really a problem to find it, right? Now look at posts of new users.
"somehow I can't upload my pictures, can somebody help"?
Some people just WON'T be initiative enough to look for the answers, even when they have it slapped in front of their face...

This is the problem of every forum I know..
 
I vote for someone to start making a FAQ page that is stickied to the top of beginners forum. It must have a link to how top post photos. Keep adding this FAQ. If you are a noob, you MUST read the FAQ first! :). Then we can just reply to common question and paste that thread link.
I think the community should create their own FAQ page off site, that can be linked to with the most common questions. Like "How do I start my biznis", and how to post images. Heck, it could even link to great threads here on various subjects.

We know damn well, the forum won't keep up with the Stickies. They never have, and never will. Case in point "how to post images" is outdated, confusing, and incomplete. That has been pointed out REPEATEDLY!!!
 
We know damn well, the forum won't keep up with the Stickies. They never have, and never will. Case in point "how to post images" is outdated, confusing, and incomplete. That has been pointed out REPEATEDLY!!!

This is true, however each time the issue is raised those that raise it are often asked that if they can see problems with the current stickies that they provide the answer. I think its a difference of the opinion where the site users feel the mod team should provide the articles whilst the mod team feels that its the communities responsibility -- remember mods are not here to provide tutorials and such, but to police and help to maintain the forums running.

If there are those who want to produce such threads then - provided they are well made and written - they can certainly be put up for being considered a sticky (heck myself I keep meaning to write a sticky for the macro section)
 
We know damn well, the forum won't keep up with the Stickies. They never have, and never will. Case in point "how to post images" is outdated, confusing, and incomplete. That has been pointed out REPEATEDLY!!!

This is true, however each time the issue is raised those that raise it are often asked that if they can see problems with the current stickies that they provide the answer. I think its a difference of the opinion where the site users feel the mod team should provide the articles whilst the mod team feels that its the communities responsibility -- remember mods are not here to provide tutorials and such, but to police and help to maintain the forums running.

If there are those who want to produce such threads then - provided they are well made and written - they can certainly be put up for being considered a sticky (heck myself I keep meaning to write a sticky for the macro section)

Sure put it off onto the users.

http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...forum-functions-pictoral-guide-using-tpf.html

That thread is LOCKED. If it wasn't I am sure someone would have posted an update. Dontchu think?

It's also the ONLY sticky that is locked. Hmmm...
 
I'm not putting it off on the users, just pointing out where the difference of opinion lay.
And yes the thread is locked, however I'm certain that you can write out the adjustments needed and pm one of the mod team to edit it in (heck scroll down and you can see where Big Mike edited in a section regarding changes to flickr - and that was in my pre-mod days).
 
"We all are teachers, we all are students"

No matter how accomplished we are in a specific field, we are beginners in others. We are masters in our area of specialty, and duffers elsewhere. So a sense of humility is appropriate, even in situations where we think we know a lot (because we may actually know very little).

@ Overread: Asking the right question is part of the learning process. Yes, it takes time and effort to get the question right, but that effort shows that the questioner is genuine and is prepared to commit. My own reaction to people who ask overly broad questions with no evidence of having worked a bit at thinking about it, is to skip those threads. OK, so I have not "wasted" my time there, but does that really help the community grow? If we as a community are to tap into the rather large amount of knowledge and wisdom that exists here, we need to spend a bit of time figuring things out on our own, and then coming to the forum when we are stuck. Even better, is someone who shows what they are working on and how they are overcoming the issues they are coming across.

@BJ: I will say that the forum is not a library, but more like one of those old-world bazaars - noise, and bustle, lots of crap, some treasures, everyone trying to get your attention, and a few are trying to pick your pockets. You also get the drunks, the idiots, the loudmouths, the idle, and even the hard-working operators and stall owners. So, you try to stay out of the way of the loose cannons and be on the outlook for the stuff that interests you.

@ Orionbytes: I agree with your post, and I think you've got a good handle on the situation.

@Kundalini: I feel your frustration, but I don't know what I can offer as advice. Perhaps, part of the solution could be to patiently just reference the appropriate thread where the question was discussed and answered, but then again, it depends on whether the person asking the question was asking the question out of ignorance (ok, we all were there at one point or another) or laziness (less excusable), or just for the sake of getting a rise out of people (classic troll behaviour).

I've doing photography for over 40 years, mostly as a snapshooting amateur. I have enough skill and talent to occasionally produce pretty good images. My wife suggested that I join a community photo class a number of years back, and I had the arrogance and lack of awareness to actually think that I knew photography. That class, taught by a working professional, helped me see just how little I actually knew, and revealed the chasms of ignorance that I had (off-camera flash, manual flash, portraiture, use of light modifiers, all manner of composition ideas, post-processing... the list goes on). You don't know what you don't know. Following that humbling experience, I joined a local photo club (about 150 members) and then I really began to see how little I actually knew. Fortunately, many of the old-timers have seen this lots of time before, and were willing to generously share their time and knowledge, and to mentor me, both formally and informally. I've learned mentoring other people is a very satisfying activity, and in the process, allows one to test just how well we think we know something. And that's partly why I am here - to pass on what I've learned, and to learn more from those who are much better at it than I am.

"We all are teachers, we all are students"
 
Newbies have to register.
Why can't the system send them an email with links to basic questions and an admonishment to read before they post?

It's not enough for the mods to sit back, let everything happen and then chide the community for letting it happen that way.

The mods know that the sticky is wrong, why can't the Mod for the Beginners' Forum just take the initiative and change it?

My guess is that it would take less time to fix the damn sticky than it took to write out the corrections.
 

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