Why All the Hate?

[Derrel]

Hate comes from insecurity, insecurity comes from low self esteem, low self esteem comes from lack of ability, lack of ability is caused by ignorance. I have noticed that the ones that trash talk Sony cameras are clueless about them anyway. I shoot what I like I don't own a camera because it makes me look like a pro.

So, apparently we have a Sony buyer and user here who knows all about insecurity, low self esteem, lack of ability, and ignorance, and is trying to enlighten us...Huh... (wink].

All joking aside, I like skieur, and I know he enjoys his Sony products. I wonder how firmly committed Sony is to the d-slr body and lens business...they took HUGE losses on the A900 and the A800 full-frame cameras with 24.5 MP sensors, and TRIED, desperately tried, to "buy market share" by pricing those cameras $1,000 under the price of a Canon 5D FF, and $5,000 below the price of the Nikon D3x...and still suffered in the marketplace. Sony bought a third-rate (fifth rate??) failed company's camera and lens division when they bought the sinking ship that was Minolta...I see that they have not made much headway against the onslaught that is Canon and Nikon...

Maybe they ought to go back to what they know best, which in my own experience, is making Discman players that cost $50, made in Malaysia, and which break down after three weeks, for four units in a row, or taking months and months to try and re-build a failed computer network that hackers were able to tap into...I dunno...Sony has some serious corporate leadership issues, and a huge PR nightmare. Sony has a HUGE, huge, HUGE problem with their image, AND with their product matrix, and the way their divisions do NOT GET ALONG within the company as a whole. They have EARNED their bad reputation...

Sony needs to do what NIKON Corp. did--fire say, oh, 9 out of 10 of every aged, decrepit, deadwood executives, and REPLACE them ALL with YOUNGER execs--people who have a freaking clue about the world outside of Japan.

 

[cgipson1]

Hate comes from insecurity, insecurity comes from low self esteem, low self esteem comes from lack of ability, lack of ability is caused by ignorance. I have noticed that the ones that trash talk Sony cameras are clueless about them anyway. I shoot what I like I don't own a camera because it makes me look like a pro.

So, apparently we have a Sony buyer and user here who knows all about insecurity, low self esteem, lack of ability, and ignorance, and is trying to enlighten us...Huh... (wink].

All joking aside, I like skieur, and I know he enjoys his Sony products. I wonder how firmly committed Sony is to the d-slr body and lens business...they took HUGE losses on the A900 and the A800 full-frame cameras with 24.5 MP sensors, and TRIED, desperately tried, to "buy market share" by pricing those cameras $1,000 under the price of a Canon 5D FF, and $5,000 below the price of the Nikon D3x...and still suffered in the marketplace. Sony bought a third-rate (fifth rate??) failed company's camera and lens division when they bought the sinking ship that was Minolta...I see that they have not made much headway against the onslaught that is Canon and Nikon...

Maybe they ought to go back to what they know best, which in my own experience, is making Discman players that cost $50, made in Malaysia, and which break down after three weeks, for four units in a row, or taking months and months to try and re-build a failed computer network that hackers were able to tap into...I dunno...Sony has some serious corporate leadership issues, and a huge PR nightmare. Sony has a HUGE, huge, HUGE problem with their image, AND with their product matrix, and the way their divisions do NOT GET ALONG within the company as a whole. They have EARNED their bad reputation...

Sony needs to do what NIKON Corp. did--fire say, oh, 9 out of 10 of every aged, decrepit, deadwood executives, and REPLACE them ALL with YOUNGER execs--people who have a freaking clue about the world outside of Japan.

Careful, Derrel.. you might be accused of having low self esteem or insecurities, resulting from a lack of ability!

 

[MLeeK]

It's simple. We just love hate and discontent around here. Or a good debate. But I like the Hate and Discontent option better.

 

[cosmonaut]

Funniest thing I have read all day.... I have never been accused of being insecure, usually the opposite! lol! I have been accused of being anal about doing research, so I know my facts, though!

I don't recall accusing you of anything. Funny you would make that assumption.

I was just assuming that it was aimed at anyone who say's anything bad about Sony, and since I am a vocal in my dislike of Sony.. that would include me (even though it is not a true statement!) I don't HATE Sony.. I just strongly dislike them, and disapprove of their business methods! And there is nothing in the cameras they make that would make anyone the least bit insecure! Especially after using a Nikon or a Canon!

I really like that "Lack of ability" part!!! Have YOU ever made a living with a camera? Just curious!!

Well I have dealt with Sony repair twice, both times I was treated very well and kept up to date with the status of my repair. One repair actually was covered under warranty and I had bought the camera used and from out of country. Companies change. I sounds like you got a raw deal some where down the road. I think you have the potential of scaring away customers.
I am just here to say I use Sony cameras and have been very impressed with them. Not everyone shares your views. I have read bad things about Nikon and Canon both but I don't troll their forums. I think I recall when Canons new flagship came out and many had water leaks around the viewfinders and Nikon shutters were bad about leaving oily residue on the sensor from time to time.

 

[charlie76]

but I don't troll their forums.

Wouldn't blame the forum users....the title of this thread is begging for trouble

 

[cosmonaut]

Hate comes from insecurity, insecurity comes from low self esteem, low self esteem comes from lack of ability, lack of ability is caused by ignorance. I have noticed that the ones that trash talk Sony cameras are clueless about them anyway. I shoot what I like I don't own a camera because it makes me look like a pro.

So, apparently we have a Sony buyer and user here who knows all about insecurity, low self esteem, lack of ability, and ignorance, and is trying to enlighten us...Huh... (wink].

All joking aside, I like skieur, and I know he enjoys his Sony products. I wonder how firmly committed Sony is to the d-slr body and lens business...they took HUGE losses on the A900 and the A800 full-frame cameras with 24.5 MP sensors, and TRIED, desperately tried, to "buy market share" by pricing those cameras $1,000 under the price of a Canon 5D FF, and $5,000 below the price of the Nikon D3x...and still suffered in the marketplace. Sony bought a third-rate (fifth rate??) failed company's camera and lens division when they bought the sinking ship that was Minolta...I see that they have not made much headway against the onslaught that is Canon and Nikon...

Maybe they ought to go back to what they know best, which in my own experience, is making Discman players that cost $50, made in Malaysia, and which break down after three weeks, for four units in a row, or taking months and months to try and re-build a failed computer network that hackers were able to tap into...I dunno...Sony has some serious corporate leadership issues, and a huge PR nightmare. Sony has a HUGE, huge, HUGE problem with their image, AND with their product matrix, and the way their divisions do NOT GET ALONG within the company as a whole. They have EARNED their bad reputation...

Sony needs to do what NIKON Corp. did--fire say, oh, 9 out of 10 of every aged, decrepit, deadwood executives, and REPLACE them ALL with YOUNGER execs--people who have a freaking clue about the world outside of Japan.

Well you talked me into it. I am going to EBay with my gear and get a D800.

 

[cosmonaut]

Hate comes from insecurity, insecurity comes from low self esteem, low self esteem comes from lack of ability, lack of ability is caused by ignorance. I have noticed that the ones that trash talk Sony cameras are clueless about them anyway. I shoot what I like I don't own a camera because it makes me look like a pro.

So, apparently we have a Sony buyer and user here who knows all about insecurity, low self esteem, lack of ability, and ignorance, and is trying to enlighten us...Huh... (wink].

All joking aside, I like skieur, and I know he enjoys his Sony products. I wonder how firmly committed Sony is to the d-slr body and lens business...they took HUGE losses on the A900 and the A800 full-frame cameras with 24.5 MP sensors, and TRIED, desperately tried, to "buy market share" by pricing those cameras $1,000 under the price of a Canon 5D FF, and $5,000 below the price of the Nikon D3x...and still suffered in the marketplace. Sony bought a third-rate (fifth rate??) failed company's camera and lens division when they bought the sinking ship that was Minolta...I see that they have not made much headway against the onslaught that is Canon and Nikon...

Maybe they ought to go back to what they know best, which in my own experience, is making Discman players that cost $50, made in Malaysia, and which break down after three weeks, for four units in a row, or taking months and months to try and re-build a failed computer network that hackers were able to tap into...I dunno...Sony has some serious corporate leadership issues, and a huge PR nightmare. Sony has a HUGE, huge, HUGE problem with their image, AND with their product matrix, and the way their divisions do NOT GET ALONG within the company as a whole. They have EARNED their bad reputation...

Sony needs to do what NIKON Corp. did--fire say, oh, 9 out of 10 of every aged, decrepit, deadwood executives, and REPLACE them ALL with YOUNGER execs--people who have a freaking clue about the world outside of Japan.

Watch what you say about old people. I am old people. There ain't nothing wrong with being old....

 

[manaheim]

Hate comes from insecurity, insecurity comes from low self esteem, low self esteem comes from lack of ability, lack of ability is caused by ignorance. I have noticed that the ones that trash talk Sony cameras are clueless about them anyway. I shoot what I like I don't own a camera because it makes me look like a pro.

So, apparently we have a Sony buyer and user here who knows all about insecurity, low self esteem, lack of ability, and ignorance, and is trying to enlighten us...Huh... (wink].

All joking aside, I like skieur, and I know he enjoys his Sony products. I wonder how firmly committed Sony is to the d-slr body and lens business...they took HUGE losses on the A900 and the A800 full-frame cameras with 24.5 MP sensors, and TRIED, desperately tried, to "buy market share" by pricing those cameras $1,000 under the price of a Canon 5D FF, and $5,000 below the price of the Nikon D3x...and still suffered in the marketplace. Sony bought a third-rate (fifth rate??) failed company's camera and lens division when they bought the sinking ship that was Minolta...I see that they have not made much headway against the onslaught that is Canon and Nikon...

Maybe they ought to go back to what they know best, which in my own experience, is making Discman players that cost $50, made in Malaysia, and which break down after three weeks, for four units in a row, or taking months and months to try and re-build a failed computer network that hackers were able to tap into...I dunno...Sony has some serious corporate leadership issues, and a huge PR nightmare. Sony has a HUGE, huge, HUGE problem with their image, AND with their product matrix, and the way their divisions do NOT GET ALONG within the company as a whole. They have EARNED their bad reputation...

Sony needs to do what NIKON Corp. did--fire say, oh, 9 out of 10 of every aged, decrepit, deadwood executives, and REPLACE them ALL with YOUNGER execs--people who have a freaking clue about the world outside of Japan.

Careful, Derrel.. you might be accused of having low self esteem or insecurities, resulting from a lack of ability!

Or just of smelling like mouldy cabbage.

 

[MLeeK]

Hate comes from insecurity, insecurity comes from low self esteem, low self esteem comes from lack of ability, lack of ability is caused by ignorance. I have noticed that the ones that trash talk Sony cameras are clueless about them anyway. I shoot what I like I don't own a camera because it makes me look like a pro.

That whole statement seems to be aimed at anyone here who disagrees with your point of view. It's incredibly small minded and offensive in general, let alone to those who have given you their very valid reasons complete with data to back it up.
THAT is where you offended Charlie-and everyone else. You just said we all "hate" sony because we are insecure with low self esteem because we have a lack of ability. I am pretty sure most of use have more than proven our ability here. My 14 year old immature son knows better than to start slinging names like a first grader. You aren't winning the argument so you are going to have a childish temper tantrum and sling mud.

I don't recall accusing you of anything. Funny you would make that assumption.

I was just assuming that it was aimed at anyone who say's anything bad about Sony, and since I am a vocal in my dislike of Sony.. that would include me (even though it is not a true statement!) I don't HATE Sony.. I just strongly dislike them, and disapprove of their business methods! And there is nothing in the cameras they make that would make anyone the least bit insecure! Especially after using a Nikon or a Canon!

I really like that "Lack of ability" part!!! Have YOU ever made a living with a camera? Just curious!!

Well I have dealt with Sony repair twice, both times I was treated very well and kept up to date with the status of my repair. One repair actually was covered under warranty and I had bought the camera used and from out of country. Companies change. I sounds like you got a raw deal some where down the road. I think you have the potential of scaring away customers.
I am just here to say I use Sony cameras and have been very impressed with them. Not everyone shares your views. I have read bad things about Nikon and Canon both but I don't troll their forums. I think I recall when Canons new flagship came out and many had water leaks around the viewfinders and Nikon shutters were bad about leaving oily residue on the sensor from time to time.

I haven't a clue what dealing with Sony repair twice has to do with your statement that charlie-or WE in general-have a lack of ability. You sure evaded the question there.

 

[manaheim]

You can't handle the truth.

 

[Ballistics]

I really enjoy my sony playstation 3

 

[cosmonaut]

Hate comes from insecurity, insecurity comes from low self esteem, low self esteem comes from lack of ability, lack of ability is caused by ignorance. I have noticed that the ones that trash talk Sony cameras are clueless about them anyway. I shoot what I like I don't own a camera because it makes me look like a pro.

That whole statement seems to be aimed at anyone here who disagrees with your point of view. It's incredibly small minded and offensive in general, let alone to those who have given you their very valid reasons complete with data to back it up.
THAT is where you offended Charlie-and everyone else. You just said we all "hate" sony because we are insecure with low self esteem because we have a lack of ability. I am pretty sure most of use have more than proven our ability here. My 14 year old immature son knows better than to start slinging names like a first grader. You aren't winning the argument so you are going to have a childish temper tantrum and sling mud.

I was just assuming that it was aimed at anyone who say's anything bad about Sony, and since I am a vocal in my dislike of Sony.. that would include me (even though it is not a true statement!) I don't HATE Sony.. I just strongly dislike them, and disapprove of their business methods! And there is nothing in the cameras they make that would make anyone the least bit insecure! Especially after using a Nikon or a Canon!

I really like that "Lack of ability" part!!! Have YOU ever made a living with a camera? Just curious!!

Well I have dealt with Sony repair twice, both times I was treated very well and kept up to date with the status of my repair. One repair actually was covered under warranty and I had bought the camera used and from out of country. Companies change. I sounds like you got a raw deal some where down the road. I think you have the potential of scaring away customers.
I am just here to say I use Sony cameras and have been very impressed with them. Not everyone shares your views. I have read bad things about Nikon and Canon both but I don't troll their forums. I think I recall when Canons new flagship came out and many had water leaks around the viewfinders and Nikon shutters were bad about leaving oily residue on the sensor from time to time.

I haven't a clue what dealing with Sony repair twice has to do with your statement that charlie-or WE in general-have a lack of ability. You sure evaded the question there.

You are reading to much into a statement that was intended to be light hearted and fun and I never once specifically aimed my statement at anyone. But you do need to ask yourself if you don't use Sony why are you here?

 

[Derrel]

Sony corporate leadership has openly discussed the company's internal issues and the lack of cooperation between the divisions with Western media! I read an interesting article about Sony's internal struggles. The have gone VERY public about their inter-divisional strife and petty jealousies. The biggest problem ,some say, is the Japanese cultural idea of lifetime employment and loyalty to one's very OWN DIVISIONAL leaders at the expense of what might be best for the company as a whole. Much of Sony's leadership is old-school, and this is a MODERN world, and CHINA and KOREA both have very capable companies that are now formidable competitors. Japan's longstanding disdain of Korean and China has blinded them to the power of better-managed companies, like SAMSUNG, for just one example. Sony did well in a pre-Korea, pre-Chinese electronics market, but their day seems DONE to me.

"Every dog has his day."

 

[MLeeK]

You asked the why we "hated" sony... I am pretty sure that you weren't expecting ONLY Sony users to answer that. That would be really bad-all those sony users talking about how much they hate their cameras.

So... those of us who don't care for sony for whatever reasons answered. AND mine was pretty damn neutral to boot.

I have nothing against Sony, per se. I just choose Canon. If I were starting all over again I'd probably choose Nikon. Sony isn't in the running for me. That doesn't mean they make crap or that they do. It seems to me that they are really taking huge leaps and bounds. From what I see they are producing some awesome cameras.

 

[charlie76]

.... if you don't use Sony why are you here?

Do you Sony guys always start threads just so you can whine and feel bad for yourselves? This thread is directed at non-Sony users....so here we are. If you don't like criticism...don't ask for it. Obvious to me, at least.