Why teachers drink

[kundalini]

Teachers are like police men, fire men and EMS. Doing a job that I prefer them to do.

 

[limr30 3]

kundalini, first Thorogood and now J.Geils?? Rockin' my world, man

 

[kundalini]

Old school baby. Can only do what I know. I passed on the

 

[bribrius]

Teachers are like police men, fire men and EMS. Doing a job that I prefer them to do.

totally true. some teachers are great. A lot of them, not so much. Left wingers that take teaching jobs because they couldn't make it doing anything else and get the summer off and every snow day and holiday..
A lot of the drug heads and non workers in the sixties became teachers in the seventies and eighties. And it shows still. The highers go to ibm manager job. The lower goes to the public school system. The education system in the u.s. is defunct with union paid teachers. There is that rare, great teacher however (if you can keep the administration and government and whatever new curriculum they pull out of their behind out of the way).

But while we are on the subject of ems, police and fire departments, im all about cutting budgets.....

 

[limr30 3]

Stop. Just stop. Truly.

Not you, kundalini. I need some more old school groove to get the bad taste out of my mouth. Got any P Funk handy?

 

[bribrius]

Stop. Just stop. Truly.

Not you, kundalini. I need some more old school groove to get the bad taste out of my mouth. Got any P Funk handy?

okay. okay. Nothing personal. You are probably great. Nothing against you. suppose this hit a nerve with me. im pondering yanking my kids from school at the moment and going home school and private school.

 

[kundalini]

totally true. some teachers are great. A lot of them, not so much. Left wingers that take teaching jobs because they couldn't make it doing anything else and get the summer off and every snow day and holiday..
A lot of the drug heads and non workers in the sixties became teachers in the seventies and eighties. And it shows still. The highers go to ibm manager job. The lower goes to the public school system. The education system in the u.s. is defunct with union paid teachers. There is that rare, great teacher however (if you can keep the administration and government and whatever new curriculum they pull out of their behind out of the way).But while we are on the subject of ems, police and fire departments, im all about cutting budgets.....

Please stop while you are behind. Your statement is full of holes and filled with bull$hit. If it weren't for teachers, you wouldn't be able to put together a comprehensive sentence. Oh wait........

Not you, kundalini. I need some more old school groove to get the bad taste out of my mouth. Got any P Funk handy?

One of my top 5 live albums ever. And that is a mouthfull. Nothing to do with teaching, but here is a a little ditty about alcohol.

 

[limr30 3]

Look, I'm not saying that all teachers are saints. Of course there are good and bad ones. But a lot of teachers could do a much better job if they weren't getting hammered from all sides: students who can't pay attention to anything but their phones; parents who think their children's pee cures cancer and constantly interfere with the teacher's work; and an administration filled with people have never stepped foot in a classroom enforcing ineffectual policies handed down by the state legislature, also filled with people who have never stepped foot in a classroom.

It's no wonder that even the best teachers burn out fast.

And summers off? Try again.

Adequately compensated? Wrong again.

Private schools are not a panacea. Their students are paying clients, and if you're not careful, you might end up choosing a school for your kids run by people who are too afraid to enforce rules and standards because they want to keep their clients' money. I've seen plenty of crappy students who came from private schools. Honestly, it's probably a better idea to move to a rich school district and spend the money in property taxes instead of tuition.

 

[limr30 3]

One of my top 5 live albums ever. And that is a mouthfull. Nothing to do with teaching, but here is a a little ditty about alcohol.

That one totally hit the spot! :thumbup:

 

[table1349]

Nothing to do with alcohol but something to do with teaching.:mrgreen:

 

[bribrius]

Look, I'm not saying that all teachers are saints. Of course there are good and bad ones. But a lot of teachers could do a much better job if they weren't getting hammered from all sides: students who can't pay attention to anything but their phones; parents who think their children's pee cures cancer and constantly interfere with the teacher's work; and an administration filled with people have never stepped foot in a classroom enforcing ineffectual policies handed down by the state legislature, also filled with people who have never stepped foot in a classroom.

It's no wonder that even the best teachers burn out fast.

And summers off? Try again.

Adequately compensated? Wrong again.

Private schools are not a panacea. Their students are paying clients, and if you're not careful, you might end up choosing a school for your kids run by people who are too afraid to enforce rules and standards because they want to keep their clients' money. I've seen plenty of crappy students who came from private schools. Honestly, it's probably a better idea to move to a rich school district and spend the money in property taxes instead of tuition.

something to consider. I already pay quite a bit in taxes but....

I wanted to put my oldest into online school then on to prepartory. younger two homeschool is where im going with them. The oldest im having trouble with online school because we cant seem to get it through the democrats in the statehouse. They seemed determined to save our huge expensive overly administrated underachieving public daycare facility. I really am a supporter of private, charter, voucher school and online school. And I know most teachers don't make a high salary. But just the overhead on a public school system is insane with administration costs. I could be wrong, but I support these things because I believe we can have a much more efficient system, with much better educated children at a much lower expense. Teaching is changing as well.

The teacher is becoming less necessary but the classrooms are over crowded. The system in place now all the children have ipads and netbooks. They are self taught, in school with these devices. if they don't understand something, they are supposed to ask a peer. If they still cant figure it out, THEN they ask the teacher. The teacher has become the last resort in our new way of education. That isn't far off from just keeping them home and doing it online. Except, we are paying all this overhead.

Now the kids are eating breakfast and lunch in school, throw in study halls, gym, talking and goofing off time, how much time is actually spent learning? And most of that time is on a ipad so........it is becoming more a public babysitting service.

I think the points trying to be made, is individual learning allows children to not be held back by others in a class. That parents are primarily responsible for their children. And that bussing children to a brick and mortar structure to use a ipad isn't logical. It isn't like we have little school houses now, and we consolidated systems trying to save money. Now we are bussing kids (and paying to bus kids) on half hour bus rides each way. Getting this through to the democrats we have in our statehouse isn't working however. And they are aren't to supportive of vouchers, charters, private, really anything but saving the public school monstrosity. which is probably one of the most expensive worst school systems in the developed world. so I guess im a little more involved than just a regular parent consider me biased.

I really was a substitute by the way. That was all true. I was a substitute in the same school I want to pull my oldest out of twenty years ago. course now it is worse. I send my child to a school that has video cameras everywhere and a full time cop on duty. Totally unnecessary in my mind. That isn't teaching or learning. it is something else. And expensive.

 

[limr30 3]

Oh, runnah beat you to that one, but I don't mind because I love that song and video.

I don't feel tardy.

Best.Line.Ever. I would totally forgive any student who came in late and said that to me.

 

[limr30 3]

bribrius, if you are going to bring politics into this, which you are obviously willing to do since you have repeatedly and specifically blamed Democrats (which is capitalized, by the way) and liberals for problem you (incorrectly) identify, then I'm going to completely ignore you. There is no way I'm going to say one more word in response when you start a discussion so aggressively and disrespectfully.

 

[bribrius]

bribrius, if you are going to bring politics into this, which you are obviously willing to do since you have repeatedly and specifically blamed Democrats (which is capitalized, by the way) and liberals for problem you (incorrectly) identify, then I'm going to completely ignore you. There is no way I'm going to say one more word in response when you start a discussion so aggressively and disrespectfully.

I could say "our legislature" if you -prefer. But it really isn't all our legislature that is causing the problem. The republicans could care less how I choose to educate my children as long as it meets standards. what have I incorrectly identified?

 

[limr30 3]

bribrius, if you are going to bring politics into this, which you are obviously willing to do since you have repeatedly and specifically blamed Democrats (which is capitalized, by the way) and liberals for problem you (incorrectly) identify, then I'm going to completely ignore you. There is no way I'm going to say one more word in response when you start a discussion so aggressively and disrespectfully.

I could say "our legislature" if you -prefer. But it really isn't all our legislature that is causing the problem. The republicans could care less how I choose to educate my children as long as it meets standards. what have I incorrectly identified?

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