Yahoo CEO: " ...there is no such thing really as professional photographers"

[Greiver]

If this ignorant dunce is who they have as a CEO, Yahoo is doomed.

 

[Pallycow]

Yahoo is more than Flickr...I'm sure they'll be fine. ;-)

 

[Majeed Badizadegan]

Yahoo is more than Flickr...I'm sure they'll be fine. ;-)

I wouldn't be so sure about that. They've struggled mightily as a company for a long time. Only recently have they pulled themselves out of near extinction. So I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

They also seem to have a very poor track record as far as hiring CEO's that don't say/do stupid things.

https://www.google.com/finance?chdn...e&q=NASDAQ:YHOO&ntsp=0&ei=LdGbUamkNefniQLhuQE

 

[runnah]

Yahoo is more than Flickr...I'm sure they'll be fine. ;-)

I wouldn't be so sure about that. They've struggled mightily as a company for a long time.

They also seem to have a very poor track record as far as hiring CEO's that don't say/do stupid things.

https://www.google.com/finance?chdn...e&q=NASDAQ:YHOO&ntsp=0&ei=LdGbUamkNefniQLhuQE

Yahoo is Google's gangrenous testicle that just needs to be cut off and thrown in the trash.

 

[Majeed Badizadegan]

flickr's interest in pandering to professional photographer is.. zero. Why on earth would they give a crap what some tiny group of non-customers would think?

Do you have data to support this?

I have lots of friends who are part time/ full time pro's, who pay for and use FlickR Pro. Wouldn't the "paying money" thing be enough to consider these pros a "customer" of FlickR?

 

[Pallycow]

Not to be a chit, but you're friends...and even your friends friends...and our friends' friends, don't amount to anything in the grand scheme of things. You really have to look at it on a grander scale. If someone, even a moronic ceo, cuts out a part of a business model that generates income...you have to consider thought was put in to that on the scheme of how effective it would be towards their bottom line.

Since the cut was made, obviously it was not so effective as to keep it. Things like these are pennies...fractions of pennies...when it comes to bottom line dollars in the end.

 

[ronlane]

Not to be a chit, but you're friends...and even your friends friends...and our friends' friends, don't amount to anything in the grand scheme of things. You really have to look at it on a grander scale. If someone, even a moronic ceo, cuts out a part of a business model that generates income...you have to consider thought was put in to that on the scheme of how effective it would be towards their bottom line.

Since the cut was made, obviously it was not so effective as to keep it. Things like these are pennies...fractions of pennies...when it comes to bottom line dollars in the end.

Agreed, for them to cut it out, they must have been spending way too much to maintain it, sell ads, etc.

 

[Steve5D]

I use Flickr. They wanna' give me a terrabyte? Beautiful. I'll take it.

The day I lose even a minute's sleep over whether or not HMFIC at Yahoo thinks I'm a "professional photographer" is the day I slide out the Kimber, slip in a magazine, rack the slide, and end it all.

I really, really, truly don't care...

 

[sm4him]

I *just* renewed my subscription. Anybody know if they're giving money back? Because I'm *ticked*. I paid $50 for 2 years.

Me too. Well, I paid for a year. It's set to automatically renew, but they had a problem because my card information had changed since last year and I hadn't updated it. So two days ago, they sent me an email telling me they were having trouble processing the payment. I went in and fixed it--they neglected to mention that they were about to charge me for something that was going to cease to exist in two days. One might say I was a tiny bit "miffed."

I just sent them an email which I believe will "clarify" for them how I feel about not being told I was about to pay for something they were going to kill off in two days and requesting a refund. I'll let you know what I hear from them.

 

[Dikkie]

I *just* renewed my subscription. Anybody know if they're giving money back? Because I'm *ticked*. I paid $50 for 2 years.

I'm in the same boat here... went from FREE to PRO last week... guess I'll go back to FREE soon...
The only difference we have now is the poor stats...

 

[sm4him]

Well, this is the same woman who declared last year that having a baby was WAY easier than everyone makes it out to be. LOL. Might be easy enough when you have unlimited funds to throw at daycares, nannies and such--but I still can't wait to see if she says the same thing about teenagers! :lmao:
Or until she has that SECOND child who is nothing LIKE the first. My first kid was "easy" too...laid back, slept through the night very early, rarely cried for no good reason...second kid? Not so much.

Anyway, her whole attitude with the baby thing caused her to lose any tiny bit of credibility I might have otherwise lent her anyway, so I don't really give a rat's patootie what she thinks about...well, about anything, really. I use flickr because I like how it works. When I stop liking how it works, I'll stop using it.

I do wonder, though: Since there are no professional photographers, wonder who she gets to take studio portraits of her son? Maybe she just picks a random flickr user from time to time? :lmao:

 

[Derrel]

Yahoo! Event | Watch the video - Yahoo! Screen

Go to 46:12 to see it for yourself; she speaks fast and mumbles a bit.

" ... was a decision that we would not have the Flickr Pro piece anymore, and that all - there's no such thing as Flickr Pro, because today, with cameras as pervasive as they are, there is no such thing really as professional photographers, when there's everything is professional photographers. Certainly there is varying levels of skills, but we didn't want to have a Flickr Pro anymore, we wanted everyone to have professional quality photos, space, and sharing."

The move to offer everyone 1TB free is awesome.

The jab to professional photographers shows a worrisome disconnect between flickR and their understanding of the photographic industry. She implies that because of the sheer number of cameras, nobody is a professional anymore. Pretty stupid.

That's like saying "with basketball hoops and basketballs as pervasive as they are, there's really no such thing as a professional basketball player anymore."

I don't know anything about this new Yahoo CEO, but that is a pretty ignorant statement to make.

I went to the video and watched the segment in question. Her response was in reply to a question about the end of the old Flickr "pro" account model. She made a somewhat inarticulate reply, but her statement was far from ignorant; she described the current state of "pro" photography quite well, but her response was in reply to a specific question about Flickr, and the ending of the "pro" accounts that Flickr used to have. The majority of the "pro" accounts on Flickr were not held by professional photographers, but just simply heavy users. Her reply focused on the fact that ALL users would be given 1 terrabyte of storage space.

Your assertion that her response was "ignorant" is a classic example of taking a brief quote,of extemporaneous speech, out of context, and trying to make something of it. Viewed in context, her comment was actually not ignorant, but it describes the thought process that lead them to stopping the old model, with the "pro" accounts, and moving toward a business model where every user gets 1 terrabyte of storage space. I'm afraid your non sequiter about basketballs doesn't really "play" with the facts. In fact, that's why it is a non sequiter..."An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence."

Look at the question she was asked by an audience member, then look at her reply, look at the state of the industry, and look at why everybody gets 1 TB...she handles it all in just a few seconds.

 

[bhop]

I *just* renewed my subscription. Anybody know if they're giving money back? Because I'm *ticked*. I paid $50 for 2 years.

I read somewhere that they are.

edit: apparently if you downgrade in your "pro" settings, you get a refund.. i'm not sure though.

 

[Overread]

I don't think the whole "flickr pro account" ever had anything to do with professional photographers anyway. I mean all it gave you was stats (which were pretty weak stats anyway - most of mine were "unknown") - extended organising features (ie more sets) - access to all photos now just the latest 200 - and more storage and upload limits.

So nothing in there that screams "professional" over "just regular shooter that shoots more and wants more features"


in flickr communities it was a running joke that "hey at least here everyone is a "pro" right because anyone could get the PRO on their account with a nominal fee for features.

 

[runnah]

I don't think the whole "flickr pro account" ever had anything to do with professional photographers anyway. I mean all it gave you was stats (which were pretty weak stats anyway - most of mine were "unknown") - extended organising features (ie more sets) - access to all photos now just the latest 200 - and more storage and upload limits.

I could name you hundreds of pieces of software that use the same naming convention. flickr just has the misfortune of having real life pros use it.