Guitar players

[manaheim]

Oh you guys...

I have one of these...

Bach Stradivarius Model 37 Professional Trumpet Silver | eBay

Which I'm surprised to see is going for not much less than I paid for it so many years ago.

 

[Steve5D]

Carvin's a weird deal. The only place you can buy them is either at the factory or at a Carvin store. The downside is that, compared to Gibson, Fender, Taylor, Martin, etc, Carvin is relatively unknown. Their resale value is pitiful, simply because no one has very much experience with them.

Despite their relative obscurity, though, they enjoy a really high level of quality...

 

[Devinhullphoto]

Carvin's a weird deal. The only place you can buy them is either at the factory or at a Carvin store. The downside is that, compared to Gibson, Fender, Taylor, Martin, etc, Carvin is relatively unknown. Their resale value is pitiful, simply because no one has very much experience with them.

Despite their relative obscurity, though, they enjoy a really high level of quality...

I've only played a few but their quality is amazing. I've played the Jason Becker tribute model and it was flawless.

 

[cynicaster]

Why don't you two go out and play some music and chill out before one of us winds up having to lock this otherwise interesting thread.

Mea culpa; normally I don't bother with people looking for an argument.

I'm right, you're wrong.

Last thing I'll say here, as horrible advice shouldn't be allowed to stand on a forum.

To anybody here just learning guitar, adopt this guy's opinion at your own peril, as it will lead you straight into a guitar playing career full of limitations and strangled potential.

Don't take it from a guy on a photo forum, though. Talk to an experienced guitar player or teacher you know and trust, ask their take on the wisdom of skipping barre chords, and then decide how you want to proceed.

 

[Steve5D]

Mea culpa; normally I don't bother with people looking for an argument.

That's sure a nice thought, except that you continue on with your verbal diarrhea...

Last thing I'll say here, as horrible advice shouldn't be allowed to stand on a forum.

To anybody here just learning guitar, adopt this guy's opinion at your own peril, as it will lead you straight into a guitar playing career full of limitations and strangled potential.

Don't take it from a guy on a photo forum, though. Talk to an experienced guitar player or teacher you know and trust, ask their take on the wisdom of skipping barre chords, and then decide how you want to proceed.

You should probably learn who you're talking about before you go running off at the mouth.

I've played professionally. I'll venture a guess that you haven't. I taught. Again, I suspect you've not. I've worked for three guitar retailers and two guitar manufacturers. Up until this past June, I'd spent the previous 16 years working in the music industry, specifically with respect to guitars; playing them and the manufacturing of them. I'd be willing to bet that your "experience" is far less in depth than mine.

Oh, and here's a tip, Junior: I never said people should "skip" learning them, so that's no more than some idiotic garbage on your part. Now, you can man up and either point out where I said that people should skip learning them, or admit to lying about what I said. Personally, I don't think you're man enough, or possess the character, to do either, and I strongly suspect you will confirm my suspicions.

I said that one can successfully play guitar without barre chords, and that is absolutely true. I never said that it's wise to skip learning them. That's just another on of your immature lies to try to counter a point which was never made in the first place. The bottom line is that it's quite possible to play guitar without knowing barre chords and no one here, including you and your unlearned opinion, has demonstrated otherwise.

Saying it's possible and saying it should be done are two vastly different things. I've never, ever suggested the latter...

 

[Steve5D]

Carvin's a weird deal. The only place you can buy them is either at the factory or at a Carvin store. The downside is that, compared to Gibson, Fender, Taylor, Martin, etc, Carvin is relatively unknown. Their resale value is pitiful, simply because no one has very much experience with them.

Despite their relative obscurity, though, they enjoy a really high level of quality...

I've only played a few but their quality is amazing. I've played the Jason Becker tribute model and it was flawless.

One of the nicer ones I played was an Allan Holdsworth model. I couldn't get over how light and resonant it was...

 

[Buckster]

I've been playing and singing for over 40 years. Coincidentally, that's how long I've sucked at it. No matter though, because I always had fun with it.

Over the years I've had a couple of Les Pauls, one with a beautiful deep ruby finish and gold hardware, a couple of Ibanez guitars, a few copies/knockoffs of strats and Les Pauls, and a few acoustic guitars, which I always enjoyed playing most, my favorite being a Washburn D10 EB, which I still have.



Photos of the Strat I just sold are here in another forum thread: http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/general-gallery/304035-stratocaster.html and that was the last electric I had.

Thing is, I just don't play much anymore at all. At 54, my hands are beginning to cramp up more easily, and the chemo has numbed my fingertips.

Besides the several guitars I had over the years, I had a 4 track tape deck, a few drum machines, mixers, effects, mics, keyboards, then went digital with multitrack software and so on. Still sucked, but had more fun with it. Most of that stuff is gone now too. I'm about to put my Rode NT-1 mic up for sale, and a single Event 20/20 BAS monitor that I have left (the other was stolen from a storage unit in Dallas - why only one? Who knows... )

I Wrote a LOT of songs over the course of my life. Here are a couple that I wrote and recorded about/for my wife back in the mid 90's, one track at a time, in MP3 format:


They definitely need more cowbell. lol

 

[Steve5D]

I've owned a couple of Les Pauls over the years. The best deal was a Black Custom that I bought for $400.00 from a guy I was stationed with. There are heavy guitars, and then there was this thing. It was like strapping on a small Buick. It weighed in at almost 13 pounds...

 

[ratssass]

....not really my style of music,but that was pretty good,buckster.

 

[Buckster]

....not really my style of music,but that was pretty good,buckster.

Thank you kindly.

 

[Buckster]

I've owned a couple of Les Pauls over the years. The best deal was a Black Custom that I bought for $400.00 from a guy I was stationed with. There are heavy guitars, and then there was this thing. It was like strapping on a small Buick. It weighed in at almost 13 pounds...

Agreed. I had to have really wide padded straps to deal with them when I had them, because it was like strapping on a railroad tie with strings. lol.

 

[manaheim]

Wow, buckster. I had no idea. I really enjoyed those.

 

[JacaRanda]

I enjoyed them also Buckster. I hear a little John Cougar flare; an artist I really admire.

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[cynicaster]

You should probably learn who you're talking about before you go running off at the mouth.

I've played professionally. I'll venture a guess that you haven't. I taught. Again, I suspect you've not. I've worked for three guitar retailers and two guitar manufacturers. Up until this past June, I'd spent the previous 16 years working in the music industry, specifically with respect to guitars; playing them and the manufacturing of them. I'd be willing to bet that your "experience" is far less in depth than mine.

Oh, and here's a tip, Junior: I never said people should "skip" learning them, so that's no more than some idiotic garbage on your part. Now, you can man up and either point out where I said that people should skip learning them, or admit to lying about what I said. Personally, I don't think you're man enough, or possess the character, to do either, and I strongly suspect you will confirm my suspicions.

I said that one can successfully play guitar without barre chords, and that is absolutely true. I never said that it's wise to skip learning them. That's just another on of your immature lies to try to counter a point which was never made in the first place. The bottom line is that it's quite possible to play guitar without knowing barre chords and no one here, including you and your unlearned opinion, has demonstrated otherwise.

Saying it's possible and saying it should be done are two vastly different things. I've never, ever suggested the latter...

Wow, did I just get the "do you know who I am?!?!?" speech from an old grumpy guy on the internet who worked at Guitar Center? Now I've seen it all.

I said:

I can never understand why so many casual players half-ass it and don't bother to ever learn how to play barre chords.

Then, you said:

I don't know that I would characterize not playing barre chords as "half assed". It's simply another tool, and a preference...

Which, to anybody who doesn't know any better, could easily be interpreted as "look y'all... if barre chords make your hands hurt... screw it, just don't bother... after all, there are other tools in the box... easier tools, like capos... here's a picture of one." Which is why I said in my last message:

To anybody here just learning guitar, adopt this guy's opinion at your own peril,

The opinion in question, of course, being the downplayed importance of barre chords mentioned above.

This is what I've been railing against the whole time, as it is a *horrible* message to be sending to people trying to learn the instrument. But you won't address that head on, presumably because deep down you agree with me, and saying so would end the argument and ruin your fun. Instead, you pretend the whole discussion is about other things entirely, such as the academic definition of what distinguishes a barre chord from a chord that is simply moveable, and options that are available to arthritic players. I mean, just think about how stupid that sounds... a statement of "beginners should learn barre chords" followed by "uh... not so fast, I know old guys with arthritis who get by without them". Hilarious! I was never talking about people with crippling physical ailments who know barre chords but choose not to play them due to pain--that was but one of the multiple ridiculous red herrings you introduced to the discussion. I was quite clearly saying, right from my very first message, that a person learning who decides to skip a fundamental skill because "it's too hard" is being half-assed in their learning approach. That's true in any endeavor, not just guitar. If you truly think such a defeatist stance on learning is so acceptable, then I feel sorry for any students that gave you money for tutelage.

PS--there is a word being used incorrectly in the signature that gets appended to every message you post. You brought up word choices earlier, so I figured you consider that stuff important and would appreciate the heads up.

 

[manaheim]

Thank you cynicaster for re–igniting a thread that had cooled. We'll call that a lock.