I'm Done. Delete Account.

[john.margetts]

You're being profiled/tracked on FB no matter what you do with your account.

Read the Facebook "Terms of Service." When you signed up you gave them the right to take any information they want about you. They also own everything (photos, words, etc) that you upload to FB.

Ultimately FB makes billions of dollars on their members' information by selling targeted advertising.

They do not own anything you upload. They have a limited licence to distribute what you upload which they need to have to function. If they did not have that limited licence, no one would ever be able to know what you had uploaded which would make the entire operation pointless.

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[compur]

They do not own anything you upload.

Really? From reading their TOS it looks like they own pretty much everything you upload. This is a quote from the FB TOS:

"For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it."

Terms of Service

 

[Cortian]

They do not own anything you upload.

Really? From reading their TOS it looks like they own pretty much everything you upload. This is a quote from the FB TOS:

"For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it."

Terms of Service

Read more carefully. That doesn't mean they own it. That means that, subject to your privacy settings, they have a RTU (Right To Use) license.

BIG difference.

 

[john.margetts]

They do not own anything you upload.

Really? From reading their TOS it looks like they own pretty much everything you upload. This is a quote from the FB TOS:

"For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it."

Terms of Service

The critical bit is "subject to your privacy and application settings". It states that the licence is non-exclusive which means you can license the content to other people so Facebook cannot own it. It also states that the licence ends when you delete the content, so Facebook only have a temporary licence, not ownership.

The reason for this licence is because when I look at your facebook page (assuming you have one and I am interested), Facebook have to send me a copy to display on my computer or I cannot see it. Without that world-wide licence, Facebook would be guilty of IP theft every time someone looked at your page.

 

[compur]

it."

Read more carefully. That doesn't mean they own it. That means that, subject to your privacy settings, they have a RTU (Right To Use) license.

BIG difference.

I think you need to read more carefully. The TOS also states:

1. You will not transfer any of your rights or obligations under this Statement to anyone else without our consent.
2. All of our rights and obligations under this Statement are freely assignable by us in connection with a merger, acquisition, or sale of assets, or by operation of law or otherwise.

So they have the "Right to Use" it any way they wish and you can't sell it to anyone else. I don't see that as a "big difference" to owning it. I see it as they DO own it but are using a lot of double talk to make you think they don't.

The TOS also says:

"This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it."

So, to get back your IP you'd have to not only delete your account but you'd have to get everyone you ever shared it with to delete the content too. Until that happens FB still has their "Right to Use" and you don't have the right to sell it to anyone.

 

[compur]

The critical bit is "subject to your privacy and application settings".

.. and neither of these "setting" are specified in the TOS itself so they can be anything their lawyers say they are if it were to come down to that.

It states that the licence is non-exclusive which means you can license the content to other people

No you can't. The TOS also says:
"You will not transfer any of your rights or obligations under this Statement to anyone else without our consent."

 

[Cortian]

So they have the "Right to Use" it any way they wish and you can't sell it to anyone else.

The "it" you can't transfer is your rights, not your IP.

I don't see that as a "big difference" to owning it. I see it as they DO own it but are using a lot of double talk to make you think they don't.

No, the license you grant them is a non-exclusive RTU. You're free to sell your IP to somebody else, but you cannot abrogate the agreement into which you already entered with FB. I.e.: You cannot post it to FB, then later sell your IP to somebody else on an exclusive basis, because you, yourself, no longer have exclusive rights. You could, however, sell a non-exclusive RTU to somebody else.

 

[john.margetts]

The critical bit is "subject to your privacy and application settings".

.. and neither of these "setting" are specified in the TOS itself so they can be anything their lawyers say they are if it were to come down to that.

It states that the licence is non-exclusive which means you can license the content to other people

No you can't. The TOS also says:
"You will not transfer any of your rights or obligations under this Statement to anyone else without our consent."

You can license your content to someone else so long as you retain copyright. If you was to upload a photo to Facebook and then SELL (not license) your copyright, Facebook would have no agreement with the new copyright holder and would be liable to action from the new holder if anyone looked at your Facebook page. You could delete the uploaded photo and then sell your copyright as once you delete the photo your licence with Facebook ends.

 

[compur]

You could delete the uploaded photo and then sell your copyright as once you delete the photo your licence with Facebook ends.

No, that's not what it says as I pointed out above and don't wish to repeat endlessly.

 

[compur]

You could, however, sell a non-exclusive RTU to somebody else.

No you can't. Not without consent of FB. The TOS says,
"You will not transfer ANY of your rights or obligations under this Statement to anyone else without our consent."

What does "any" mean?

 

[john.margetts]

You could, however, sell a non-exclusive RTU to somebody else.

No you can't. Not without consent of FB. The TOS says,
"You will not transfer ANY of your rights or obligations under this Statement to anyone else without our consent."

What does "any" mean?

There is a difference between transferring your rights (where you would no longer have those rights yourself) and licencing your rights (where you retain those rights yourself as well as allowing someone else to use them).



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[compur]

There is a difference between transferring your rights (where you would no longer have those rights yourself) and licencing your rights (where you retain those rights yourself as well as allowing someone else to use them).

That's true but, in my opinion, it is of little value in the real world. If someone has your IP and has the right to use it any time they want and for any purpose they want and they can license it to anyone they choose and any money made from that won't be shared with you and you can't sell (transfer ownership) of it to anyone else then who really owns it?

It doesn't matter that they say that you own it. If a crook takes your wallet and tells you that you still own it, it's just words. Where is the wallet and who is in control of it?

Yes, you could license your IP to someone yourself but who's going to want to pay for it once Facebook or its sub-licensee has already published it?

You supposedly have control over your "privacy settings" but these are not specified in the TOS itself which also contains this little clause:

"This Statement makes up the entire agreement between the parties regarding Facebook, and supersedes any prior agreements."

So, if the TOS is the entire agreement and the TOS does not specify what the privacy settings are, then that aspect is really just a puff of smoke.

 

[KmH]

Silicon Valley played by a different set of rules. Facebook's crisis could put an end to that

 

[BananaRepublic]

Yep. The last straw was placed on the pile.
They won't be making any more money on the very, very little information they had been able to mine about me.
Which means they probably didn't make much, if any money by selling my info.
Oh! No. Not TPF!

Zuckerberg - et al, Facebook.
I told 'em today to delete, not disable, my account.

They still have your info even if you do delete your account now.

Apparently the Clinton side had tonnes more information that they just bought out right the difference being the trump side used it better.

So say media in Europe anyway and BTW I'm not american.

 

[mishele]

if they can make any money off of knowing i like dogs and ferrets, I wish they would share the secret.

I didn't know you liked ferrets.