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[Bitter Jeweler]

Musical composition is mathematics and formulaic, which is obviously science. Same thing with visual arts composition, most of the elements of composition are broken down mathematically (Geometry,symmetry,rule of thirds/odds) but I know what you are getting at; it's how you use the basics to create something different. Personally though, I would rather perfect the science before I even think about getting creative. Everyone learns differently, and develops a style differently.

You say it is obviously science. It is and it isn't. Science was used to describe and prove why, psychologically, off center things were typically more pleasing than centered subjects. Why people like art is far more psychological and emotional than scientific. Even with music. Yes, there is math behind it, but it in the end the reason people enjoy certain styles of music is psychological and emotional. If art and music were purely based on science and math, computers would be able to create extremely popular works of visual art and music. But alas, computers have yet to understand emotion.

In my opinion, if just the science was preached here(in the beginners forum), there would be a whole lot less conflict and it would allow for further creative development. I feel like people would get it faster. But, at the end of the day, photography is an art not a science. So maybe my theory is worthless, but I know for me, I will be doing my best to learn the technical side before I try to get fancy.

Looking at this in a scientific approach would not further creativity. Hell, look at all the BEGINNERS that repeatedly poo poo the RoT's!!! They say ignorant things like "rules were meant to be broken" even though they are still very ignorant of the science, the psychology, and the thousands of years proving why the RoT's IS effective. These people think is all about NOT following theories and "rules", but about simply being different for the sake of being different, rather than fully understanding the rules and theories, and pushing them further.

I'll keep in mind that you wish to only learn the technical aspect of photography for now, and refrain from providing you with C&C. I am not saying this to be a snot. Just let me know when you are willing to delve into the creative, compositional aspect of the art, and I will do my best to help you.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

But its all subjective, you can't teach art because beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And yes, I would say light, focus, and rule of thirds is technical.Any rule for that matter is technical, because there is a right way and a wrong way to use them for the most part.

Rule of thirds is NOT technical. Repeat as needed.

Art, or creativity can be taught, absolutely! Art uses a visual language that can be taught like any other language! How you use it, your results, or products of your understanding of that language, or the success of your products is what is subjectively viewed by others. It speaks to their tastes, what they respond too.

But please understand "art can't be taught BECAUSE beauty is in the eye of the beholder" isn't a valid statement. It's not a causal relationship.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

As for me, I'm no artist. I don't plan on being one.

Yet you are arguing* about art with someone who has studied art nearly ALL their life, with someone who is successfully supporting themselves 100% with their art.

*I use the word "arguing" as constructve debate/discussion, rather than it's negative connotation.

 

[Ballistics]

As for me, I'm no artist. I don't plan on being one.

Yet you are arguing* about art with someone who has studied art nearly ALL their life, with someone who is successfully supporting themselves 100% with their art.

*I use the word "arguing" as constructve debate/discussion, rather than it's negative connotation.

I see your argument, but you cannot discount the fact that there is a method for all types of composition. Any rule is technical, otherwise they wouldn't be called rules. Rules of space, thirds, odds, geometry/symmetry - There is a science to all of this. If not, why not?

I think we've reached a place where we agree to disagree. I'm not telling you that you are wrong, and I am willing to bet my month's income that you know way more than I do. However, I have the ability to draw a conclusion based on the information given. How are rules not technical? Obviously they aren't laws of physics, but I believe there is a great technical aspect to all art. If you are certain that I am **wrong**, I am all about being educated. I'm not like most of these people on here that have their ideas set in stone. I'm willing to be persuaded, but the value of that fact arrives at the strength of the argument.

As for creativity deriving from technicality, I know from my own personal experience that my creativity (or what some call art) for anything that I do comes from being good at it technically. Maybe I am a rare case, but I can only go by personal experience. Repetition and monotonous actions become boring, and I try to find a different way to do the same thing.

I misrepresented my point about not being able to teach art, what I meant to say was you can't teach taste and you don't have to be an artist to understand art.

 

[Ballistics]

I'll keep in mind that you wish to only learn the technical aspect of photography for now, and refrain from providing you with C&C. I am not saying this to be a snot. Just let me know when you are willing to delve into the creative, compositional aspect of the art, and I will do my best to help you.

Absolutely appreciated bitter. I sincerely mean that.

 

[Virtuosos]

Rules of thirds is more of an idea for placement, or creativity. Technical seems alot more to deal with settings, speeds, colors, yadda yadda. But thats my opinion, and its definately not meant to be taken as a universal truth.

In the end, the photo you take is a balanced mix between creativity and technicality. Labeling what every thought/idea/rule/opinion that goes into the photo itself is a waste of time -shrug-

 

[eUgalde13]

Behold the power of longcat!! (click the bar)

 

[indioli]

My goodness, you just made me wet myself. You have way too much time on ur hands!
Lol

 

[vonstarrphoto]

C&C should be about offering feedback and advice on a photo, that is what we want, not some idiot saying I dont like this photo, I wouldn't hang it on my wall?! I DON't care if you don't want to hang it on your wall lol I just want your feedback and technical advice! The problem is people don't know how to phrase stuff. Asking for help is different from asking for people to ***** at you.. I agree with the OP. People just need manners tha's all. A critique certainly DOESN'T need to be rude, just helpful!!!!!

 

[MissCream]

C&C should be about offering feedback and advice on a photo, that is what we want, not some idiot saying I dont like this photo, I wouldn't hang it on my wall?! I DON't care if you don't want to hang it on your wall lol I just want your feedback and technical advice! The problem is people don't know how to phrase stuff. Asking for help is different from asking for people to ***** at you.. I agree with the OP. People just need manners tha's all. A critique certainly DOESN'T need to be rude, just helpful!!!!!

That is feedback.

 

[vonstarrphoto]

C&C should be about offering feedback and advice on a photo, that is what we want, not some idiot saying I dont like this photo, I wouldn't hang it on my wall?! I DON't care if you don't want to hang it on your wall lol I just want your feedback and technical advice! The problem is people don't know how to phrase stuff. Asking for help is different from asking for people to ***** at you.. I agree with the OP. People just need manners tha's all. A critique certainly DOESN'T need to be rude, just helpful!!!!!

That is feedback.

NO it is a completely irrelevant and un useful sentence that doesn't offer any technical help which is what was asked.... Oh My goodness how hard is it to read?!

 

[MissCream]

C&C should be about offering feedback and advice on a photo, that is what we want, not some idiot saying I dont like this photo, I wouldn't hang it on my wall?! I DON't care if you don't want to hang it on your wall lol I just want your feedback and technical advice! The problem is people don't know how to phrase stuff. Asking for help is different from asking for people to ***** at you.. I agree with the OP. People just need manners tha's all. A critique certainly DOESN'T need to be rude, just helpful!!!!!

That is feedback.

NO it is a completely irrelevant and un useful sentence that doesn't offer any technical help which is what was asked.... Oh My goodness how hard is it to read?!

C&C= Critique and Comments
I dont like your photo = A comment.

 

[Jarrod268]

If I've been here a week, and am not butt hurt, does that mean I have promise as a photographer?

It just means you haven't posted enough.

 

[vonstarrphoto]

That is feedback.

NO it is a completely irrelevant and un useful sentence that doesn't offer any technical help which is what was asked.... Oh My goodness how hard is it to read?!

C&C= Critique and Comments
I dont like your photo = A comment.

Well either way it is isn't helpful just rude. Lalalalala I could go on forever anyway bye

 

[MissCream]

NO it is a completely irrelevant and un useful sentence that doesn't offer any technical help which is what was asked.... Oh My goodness how hard is it to read?!

C&C= Critique and Comments
I dont like your photo = A comment.

Well either way it is isn't helpful just rude. Lalalalala I could go on forever anyway bye

So maybe next time you should just ask for constructive criticism and no comments.