Luminar 4 anyone ?

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    I dont have Photoshop or Lightroom and never will. Luminar is not a plugin for PS.

    Lots of software specialises in certain processes with an interface that is infinitely more efficient than PS or LR. My world does not revolve around ADOBE and I have to be very careful with my limited budget for software. Monthly subscriptions for software is just a rip off.

    I would be happy to challenge anyone to find something useful that Photoshop can do that my collection of PSP 7.1 ( over 20 years old), Photomatix 5 (3 years old) and Luminar 4 cant do just as well. The only things that PS can do is one of the bits of bloatware that gets used once in a blue moon.

    I realise that lots of people use PS / LR and are happy with their choice. Personally I would not touch ADOBE software with a barge pole.


     
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    I have Lightroom (although I won’t renew) Luminar and Capture 1. If in fact one is shooting RAW, and at least for me, nothing consistently creates better images than Capture One. Honestly (and again for me) by a long shot. The RAW conversion is the best both for my Sony and my FujiFilm. Always my hope is I took a good enough photo that post processing can be fairly limited. In the end that’s my goal.

    On the flip side I see these magical images that Albert Dros creates, and he at least infers that some of his editing is done in Luminar, of which are simple spectacular. They’re both good but you’d have to push me pretty hard to abandon Capture One as my main editor.
     
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    Capture One gives me nothing but new and assorted error messages. That and messages trying to sell me the upgrade, what a joke.


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  4. Joseph Hanna

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    Gosh that’s so strange. I can honestly say in all the years I’ve had the software it’s never, not a single time, crashed. Some of the forums I visit surrounding photo editing almost unanimously praise the solution as a very robust build and I honestly don’t recall a single “Capture One” crashes thread. I wonder why it would be so good for some and such a joke for others? Have you looked into why it might be crashing on your particular system? Might be worth a look if you indeed haven’t explored that avenue.

    I will add however that of the three solutions (Luminar, Lightroom and Cap 1) Luminar crashes the most and with the most dire consequences that of which includes losing data. Once in a blue moon Lightroom gets fidgety but with no consternation other than a re-boot.

    I think everyone has different goals that they wish to gain in post production. I like to shoot wide so how the software handles raw files is really important to me. Lightroom for instance butchers my FujiFilm shoots. Conversely Capture One not only handles the FujiFilm brilliantly but it also does great with my Sony Alpha stuff. The second most important aspect for me (especially when shooting wide, or ultra wide) is decently crafted lens correction. Lightroom certainly has the biggest library but Capture One a very close second. Comparatively Luminar just absolutely su#ks at lens profiles. It’s simply unusable at wide and ultra wide.

    Anyway I like to discuss this stuff (obviously) and love to hear folks experiences , good and bad.

    Horses for courses I suppose :)
     
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    I get paid to teach Adobe (LR/PS). I have LR/PS installed on my computers because I have to teach it. I think it's excellent software and I recommend it especially to folks who want to do this professionally. But personally I switched to Capture One back in 2011/12. Capture One runs on my Laptop and current desktop, my previous desktop and the desktop before that and the laptop before that and it doesn't crash or create errors of any kind. Can't remember it ever failing and I use it almost daily and have for the past 8 years.

    Because of my job teaching I maintain copies of a lot of different photo processing software. I have a copy of Luminar 4.
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    I don't think I can say anything good about it; hang on while I go load it up and try.......Nope. As usual I either find something new that's wrong with it or I get reminded about something I found before that upsets me. Yep, lens profiles are missing and how about input profiles -- at least an input tone curve I can have some control over?

    My biggest complaint about Luminar as I noted earlier in the thread is that it's raw workflow is destructive. I really hate that. This is a high priority goal for me. I want my raw workflow to be 100% non-destructive and non-linearly re-editable.

    Here's an example why.

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    That's a dropbox link to a raw file from a Fuji XE-2. Here's my edited version of that photo processed in Capture One. The processing meets my goal of 100% non-destructive and non-linearly re-editable. If you take the trouble and look at the raw file you'll notice I removed a tree branch from in front of the window.

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    Fuji users fuss a lot about their Fuji film simulation profiles. Any decent raw processor either provides them (not Luminar) or at least allows for the user to add them. I used the Provia film sim for the above processing. Let's say I want to change my mind and use a different one or even let's say I want two versions. Let's see the photo with the Velvia film sim:

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    To do that all I had to do was make a single selection from a drop menu in C1.

    LR users will find the tools in LR can't handle the branch removal and they'll go to PS to do it. But the editing in PS is destructive and then they can't do what I just did. Luminar is just out of the question as it comes with destructive editing builtin.

    But Luminar can replace your sky. Can C1 do that. No, C1 can't replace a sky. Luminar is sold as a collection of canned effects. C1 is an raw file parametric editor. During this period of isolation from the virus my wife and I have resorted to ordering staple foodstuffs from Target. Yesterday we opened one of our newly purchased cans of pineapple. My wife said, "It's not bad, I can barely taste the can." I said, "I taste the can." That's the problem with canned anything including photo effects: everything that comes out of a can tastes like a can.

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    Agree with all of this. It appears our goals are similar and yes I’m a bit enamored with Fuji film sims and honestly my Fuji camera(s) as well. I guess it could be a placebo like thing but there’s an intangible there that is compelling and satisfying. I’ve gotten pretty proficient on my Sony Alpha’s but sometimes the ease of the Fuji makes for an undeniably creative tool.

    I love the pineapple reference. There’s always something artificial about things I’ve done in Luminar. Some love it and I support that but that’s just not the goal and outcome I’m after. The AI can get pretty ugly and in a hurry and as I mentioned it just flubs the ultra wide stuff.

    That kinda brings me full circle and much like the intangible attraction to FujiFilm the same goes for Capture One in that there’s just something there, and in the way it handles raw files, that is immediately satisfying. I’m definitely ok with Lightroom, with the exception of how my Fuji stuff looks (although I do think it’s better at that than in the past) but still...for me Capture One covers far more ground for “my” needs.

    If only they’d hurry up and get a Sigma 14-24 lens profile I’d be completely set :)
     
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    I like it. I works for some photos. I am just trying to get use to it. I still like PS for some things though.
     
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    I am interested as well. I received an ad that it was on sale and have been trying to make time to review it before it goes off sale. Right now I pay for Photoshop yearly. A one time buy would be great.
     
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    It's not a one time buy, it's a one time buy until they upgrade and you need the upgrade. If you have the Adobe Photographer's package then you have Lightroom. Luminar is a crude kludge by comparison.

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    I think of Luminar as Lightroom on steroids. Photoshop will always be an amazing program, But some people can't afford the insane price year after year. I am still on CS5 , for the most part I don't need a upgrade. I would love to upgrade to the latest and greatest. Then I wouldn't need to upgrade for 5 or 6 years at least . Being that adobe doesn't work that way any more I am stuck.
     
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    I think of Luminar as Lightroom on a really bad trip.
    Luminar is supposed to be a competitor in the field of raw conversion programs with enhanced editing abilities. These apps:

    Lightroom
    Capture One
    On1
    DXO PhotoLab
    SilkyPix Pro
    DarkTable
    etc.

    In addition to converting a raw file these apps provide editing capabilities that are often sufficient to complete an image edit without recourse to a raster editor like PS or Affinity.

    Let's compare just one simple capability: A gradient that will allow you to for example darken the sky selectively.

    So we begin by selecting the gradient tool (create a layer if that's required) and draw the gradient over the sky area that we want to darken. Next step is to apply the degree of change we want and then we continue working on the image. But in the process of editing an image one change bumps into another change and then another and we always end up with a little tweaking and fine-tuning back and forth. So after you let's say made a color adjustment in the foreground and a contrast change you decide the gradient needs a tweak.

    Not a problem in LightRoom, Capture One, On1, PhotoLab, SilkyPix, or DarkTable just go back to the gradient and make the tweak -- maybe a slight rotation or pull it up a little or expand the area of gradation or whatever. But in Luminar your gradient once created became cast in concrete. You can't go back and adjust it. Your only option is to delete the gradient entirely and start over trying really hard to get it right since you won't be able to adjust it later. I wouldn't even call that bad design -- that's broken.

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